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Are they? They locked down for 5 months in Oz. They have no herd immunity. They had the worst economic quarter on record: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/economy

Are they? They locked down for 5 months in Oz. They have no herd immunity. They had the worst economic quarter on record: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/economy/australia-gdp-recession-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/economy/australia-gdp-recessi...

vkou 6y ago
> They have no herd immunity. Neither does anywhere else. Other places simply stabilized at a higher # of infections/day, because they have worse compliance with social distancing, lockdowns, and basic hygeine. But even bad compliance is better than nothing, and brings R0 down. Stop compliance with all of those things, and you get a second wave that dwarfs the first.
wesleywt 6y ago
The countries that sacrificed their old people like Sweden, Italy and Spain don't have herd immunity either.
- aivisol 6y ago
  Somehow putting Sweden into same bucket with Italy and Spain does not seem right. Sweden was widely criticized for not imposing any lockdown measures while Italy and Spain has seen one of the most aggressive and longest lockdown restrictions ever. Still Sweden lags behind Italy and Spain in terms of lives lost.
  - dingaling 6y ago
    > Still Sweden lags behind Italy and Spain in terms of lives lost. Sweden had a fatality rate of 583 per million. Denmark had 126, Finland 65, Norway 52. So in terms of regional performance Sweden was very poor. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat...
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      That's called cherry picking. The UK and France and Italy and Spain are all part of the same region.
  - mns 6y ago
    > Sweden had a fatality rate of 442 per million. Denmark had 126, Finland 65, Norway 52. So in terms of regional performance Sweden was very poor. Sweden messed up, but not in the way people are making it to have. They messed up because their care homes and their entire care system for the elderly was poorly managed, but not because they somehow let the disease rip through the general population.
pjc50 6y ago
Nobody has herd immunity yet. The idea of infecting younger people while shielding an ill defined vulnerable group never worked, and it turns out that "long covid" is a thing.
- anoncake 6y ago
  "Long Covid" is a myth. People claim it exists all the time, but there is no evidence for it (excluding very rare, isolated cases).
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  "Long COVID" is overwhelmingly laypeople sharing their self-diagnosis on the internet. These are just the same kind of people who, pre-COVID, would have claimed to have "chronic Lyme" or whatever. Of course scientists are finding some cases of people with symptoms lasting many weeks, but this does not appear to be common enough that special strict public health measures should be instituted for it, just like we do little to prevent flu or colds that affect a small segment of the population with long-term complications. It is the elderly demographic that remains the real cause of concern for public-health officials.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    shrug I know enough people personally who've experienced some of this - and before, enough chronic pain/underdiagnosed conditions - that there's definitely something there. (Someone spent fifteen years reporting chronic pain to their doctor before finally getting an endometriosis diagnosis...) > It is the elderly demographic that remains the real cause of concern for public-health officials. Yes, and this is also very bad. It tends to sweep through nursing homes, and is often brought in by the young staff who may live in shared accomodation with other young people, or have children in school, etc.
    - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
      I have no doubt that people who self-report "long COVID" really feel distress. I just don't believe that distress is COVID-related, just like it was almost never Lyme disease-related when that was the faddish self-diagnosis.
viraptor 6y ago
Long lockdown was only in Melbourne, and for shorter time in regional Vic, not Oz overall. But the result is no local cases. Economy can do its thing now. On the other hand, Europe still has the ongoing trio of massive death count, restrictions, and bad economic outcomes.

vkou 6y ago

> They have no herd immunity. Neither does anywhere else. Other places simply stabilized at a higher # of infections/day, because they have worse compliance with social distancing, lockdowns, and basic hygeine. But even bad compliance is better than nothing, and brings R0 down. Stop compliance with all of those things, and you get a second wave that dwarfs the first.

wesleywt 6y ago

The countries that sacrificed their old people like Sweden, Italy and Spain don't have herd immunity either.

aivisol 6y ago
Somehow putting Sweden into same bucket with Italy and Spain does not seem right. Sweden was widely criticized for not imposing any lockdown measures while Italy and Spain has seen one of the most aggressive and longest lockdown restrictions ever. Still Sweden lags behind Italy and Spain in terms of lives lost.
- dingaling 6y ago
  > Still Sweden lags behind Italy and Spain in terms of lives lost. Sweden had a fatality rate of 583 per million. Denmark had 126, Finland 65, Norway 52. So in terms of regional performance Sweden was very poor. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat...
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    That's called cherry picking. The UK and France and Italy and Spain are all part of the same region.
- mns 6y ago
  > Sweden had a fatality rate of 442 per million. Denmark had 126, Finland 65, Norway 52. So in terms of regional performance Sweden was very poor. Sweden messed up, but not in the way people are making it to have. They messed up because their care homes and their entire care system for the elderly was poorly managed, but not because they somehow let the disease rip through the general population.

pjc50 6y ago

Nobody has herd immunity yet. The idea of infecting younger people while shielding an ill defined vulnerable group never worked, and it turns out that "long covid" is a thing.

anoncake 6y ago
"Long Covid" is a myth. People claim it exists all the time, but there is no evidence for it (excluding very rare, isolated cases).
Mediterraneo10 6y ago
"Long COVID" is overwhelmingly laypeople sharing their self-diagnosis on the internet. These are just the same kind of people who, pre-COVID, would have claimed to have "chronic Lyme" or whatever. Of course scientists are finding some cases of people with symptoms lasting many weeks, but this does not appear to be common enough that special strict public health measures should be instituted for it, just like we do little to prevent flu or colds that affect a small segment of the population with long-term complications. It is the elderly demographic that remains the real cause of concern for public-health officials.
- pjc50 6y ago
  shrug I know enough people personally who've experienced some of this - and before, enough chronic pain/underdiagnosed conditions - that there's definitely something there. (Someone spent fifteen years reporting chronic pain to their doctor before finally getting an endometriosis diagnosis...) > It is the elderly demographic that remains the real cause of concern for public-health officials. Yes, and this is also very bad. It tends to sweep through nursing homes, and is often brought in by the young staff who may live in shared accomodation with other young people, or have children in school, etc.
  - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
    I have no doubt that people who self-report "long COVID" really feel distress. I just don't believe that distress is COVID-related, just like it was almost never Lyme disease-related when that was the faddish self-diagnosis.

viraptor 6y ago

Long lockdown was only in Melbourne, and for shorter time in regional Vic, not Oz overall. But the result is no local cases. Economy can do its thing now. On the other hand, Europe still has the ongoing trio of massive death count, restrictions, and bad economic outcomes.