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I know we all like to rail against Trump (who ain't a saint), but honestly, it's stuff like this that just simply doesn't help. The argument that he "called for

by dvt 6y ago

I know we all like to rail against Trump (who ain't a saint), but honestly, it's stuff like this that just simply doesn't help. The argument that he "called for violence" is not only uncharitable, it's also blatantly untrue. He was making a comparison to the "good old days" where monarchs could publicly execute officials that weren't in lockstep with their policies. Bannon's argument is moot (as we don't live in a monarchy), and he was just being hyperbolic. Twitter and YouTube went off the rails and decided to ban him, which I do think is unfair. His polarizing domestic policy notwithstanding, Bannon was doing a pretty good job of keeping pressure on China with regard to the Hong Kong situation. He was a fairly regular guest on "dissident" HK news channels.

sumedh 6y ago
> he was just being hyperbolic. How do you know that maybe he really meant that.
- TearsInTheRain 6y ago
  How do you know he didnt? We are getting way to comfortable with censorship and selective enforcement of community standards by a small group of people in Silicon Valley.
  - sumedh 6y ago
    > How do you know he didnt? I did not make the claim that he was being hyperbolic in the first place. We are getting way to comfortable advocating violence which ends with terrorists trying to kill politicians and kidnapping governors. You can still get your point across without the violent language.
  - AaronFriel 6y ago
    After he was banned from Twitter, Steve Bannon's verified Facebook Page reiterated it. In fact, the Facebook post is still up: https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 Here's an archive.org link: https://web.archive.org/web/20201106185230/https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 https://web.archive.org/web/20201106185230/https://www.faceb... Here's the text of that post in case it is removed: [BREAKING] On www [dot] PopulistPress [dot] com - *Steve Bannon Under Massive Attack* - Steve Bannon Under Attack - Steve Bannon’s Twitter Account Suspended After Calling for Execution of Dr Fauci and FBI Director Wray Get your news NOW - Bookmark www [dot] PopulistPress [dot] com I altered the URLs in the message above, I don't think HN turns URLs into links but I want to avoid any possible pagerank funniness.
adamsea 6y ago
Kind of like "boys will be boys"?
- dvt 6y ago
  Your bait aside, are you seriously saying that there's no room for hyperbole in common discourse?
  - dvtrn 6y ago
    There is absolutely room for hyperbole in common discourse. But reading the room, actually, check that: reading the state of the fucking nation surely elevates this to something far more than mere “common discourse” when one is talking about beheading government officials and calling it a “warning” to others Stop acting like this was said in a vacuum of just “common discourse”, I think you know full damn well that’s not the case here.
    - dvt 6y ago
      > Stop acting like this was said in a vacuum of just “common discourse” Even though I am a bit of a free speech absolutist, he said it on his podcast. I can probably find a million examples[1] of Joe Rogan being hyperbolic or saying something inflammatory on his podcast. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-rogans-podcast-sparks-tensions-inside-spotify-11604156400 https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-rogans-podcast-sparks-tensi...
      - dvtrn 6y ago
        Okay. Challenge accepted. Find me ONE example of Joe Rogan talking about beheading a government official and putting their heads on pikes. I will happily eat my words if you can find one.
  - tartoran 6y ago
    The instigating to violence type? Nope. No room for that
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lumpenprole 6y ago
Why would anyone listen to Steve Bannon complaining about authoritarian behavior?
AaronFriel 6y ago
It's uncharitable? It's untrue? It's hyperbolic because it's a counterfactual? Then why did Steve Bannon's verified Facebook Page reiterate that he called for their execution without any of those caveats or counterfactuals or even the defense that it was hyperbole or parody? Facebook post here: https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 archive.org snapshot here: https://web.archive.org/web/20201106185230/https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 https://web.archive.org/web/20201106185230/https://www.faceb... Here's the text of that post in case it is removed: [BREAKING] On www [dot] PopulistPress [dot] com - *Steve Bannon Under Massive Attack* - Steve Bannon Under Attack - Steve Bannon’s Twitter Account Suspended After Calling for Execution of Dr Fauci and FBI Director Wray Get your news NOW - Bookmark www [dot] PopulistPress [dot] com

by dvt 6y ago

sumedh 6y ago

> he was just being hyperbolic. How do you know that maybe he really meant that.

TearsInTheRain 6y ago
How do you know he didnt? We are getting way to comfortable with censorship and selective enforcement of community standards by a small group of people in Silicon Valley.
- sumedh 6y ago
  > How do you know he didnt? I did not make the claim that he was being hyperbolic in the first place. We are getting way to comfortable advocating violence which ends with terrorists trying to kill politicians and kidnapping governors. You can still get your point across without the violent language.
- AaronFriel 6y ago
  After he was banned from Twitter, Steve Bannon's verified Facebook Page reiterated it. In fact, the Facebook post is still up: https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 Here's an archive.org link: https://web.archive.org/web/20201106185230/https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 https://web.archive.org/web/20201106185230/https://www.faceb... Here's the text of that post in case it is removed: [BREAKING] On www [dot] PopulistPress [dot] com - *Steve Bannon Under Massive Attack* - Steve Bannon Under Attack - Steve Bannon’s Twitter Account Suspended After Calling for Execution of Dr Fauci and FBI Director Wray Get your news NOW - Bookmark www [dot] PopulistPress [dot] com I altered the URLs in the message above, I don't think HN turns URLs into links but I want to avoid any possible pagerank funniness.

adamsea 6y ago

Kind of like "boys will be boys"?

dvt 6y ago
Your bait aside, are you seriously saying that there's no room for hyperbole in common discourse?
- dvtrn 6y ago
  There is absolutely room for hyperbole in common discourse. But reading the room, actually, check that: reading the state of the fucking nation surely elevates this to something far more than mere “common discourse” when one is talking about beheading government officials and calling it a “warning” to others Stop acting like this was said in a vacuum of just “common discourse”, I think you know full damn well that’s not the case here.
  - dvt 6y ago
    > Stop acting like this was said in a vacuum of just “common discourse” Even though I am a bit of a free speech absolutist, he said it on his podcast. I can probably find a million examples[1] of Joe Rogan being hyperbolic or saying something inflammatory on his podcast. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-rogans-podcast-sparks-tensions-inside-spotify-11604156400 https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-rogans-podcast-sparks-tensi...
    - dvtrn 6y ago
      Okay. Challenge accepted. Find me ONE example of Joe Rogan talking about beheading a government official and putting their heads on pikes. I will happily eat my words if you can find one.
- tartoran 6y ago
  The instigating to violence type? Nope. No room for that
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lumpenprole 6y ago

Why would anyone listen to Steve Bannon complaining about authoritarian behavior?

AaronFriel 6y ago

It's uncharitable? It's untrue? It's hyperbolic because it's a counterfactual? Then why did Steve Bannon's verified Facebook Page reiterate that he called for their execution without any of those caveats or counterfactuals or even the defense that it was hyperbole or parody? Facebook post here: https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 archive.org snapshot here: https://web.archive.org/web/20201106185230/https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 https://web.archive.org/web/20201106185230/https://www.faceb... Here's the text of that post in case it is removed: [BREAKING] On www [dot] PopulistPress [dot] com - *Steve Bannon Under Massive Attack* - Steve Bannon Under Attack - Steve Bannon’s Twitter Account Suspended After Calling for Execution of Dr Fauci and FBI Director Wray Get your news NOW - Bookmark www [dot] PopulistPress [dot] com