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Let those who work, pay for those who don't. Seems like a great plan./s

by beprogrammed 6y ago

MrBoomixer 6y ago
I rather this then let those suffering live a poor life. I'll gladly pay my taxes to help those in need.
- elindbe2 6y ago
  I'm suffering. I'd like some of your money, please. I'll send you my venmo email. Thanks, I appreciate it.
  - NormenNomen 6y ago
    Yes, that's exactly the idea. This is called "mutual aid".
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  - machello13 6y ago
    Do you think this is some kind of clever counter argument? It just reveals that you think helping your fellow humans is a ridiculous idea.
    - elindbe2 6y ago
      No I'm literally suggesting you send me cash. Help your fellow human.
- beprogrammed 6y ago
  But are you really helping them? On the surface it would seem so, just give them money. But as always reality is much more complex. work -> to get money -> spend on the product of work vs get money -> spend on the product of work Does work have no value? The price of any given item will increase with the ammount required to make it worth while for somone to do and not just ride the handout. Production will plumit and costs will skyrocket. An old adage, Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Force a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime. Another way to think about it is as an energy system. As work is put in the energy in the system increases. The system currently has stored energy, but if you stop putting in energy and just consume it, in time you will deplete it.
Alekhine 6y ago
What do you think of social security?
EliRivers 6y ago
Let society crumble into a hellscape in which the majority have worse lives in exchange for the warm glow of knowing that at least they're not making life better for anyone else either. It's like a religious belief in some places. People accept the evidence of how to make a better society, in which valuable people who could contribute are actually enabled to do so and ultimately the required tax take to keep everyone alive actually goes down, but they'd literally rather not do that because helping other people offends their sense of self. Like the nonsense of many prison systems. Overwhelming evidence that it's an expensive way to get worse outcomes, but people just can't bring themselves to pay less for a better world if it means prisons are less hellscape.

Let those who work, pay for those who don't. Seems like a great plan./s

MrBoomixer 6y ago

I rather this then let those suffering live a poor life. I'll gladly pay my taxes to help those in need.

elindbe2 6y ago
I'm suffering. I'd like some of your money, please. I'll send you my venmo email. Thanks, I appreciate it.
- NormenNomen 6y ago
  Yes, that's exactly the idea. This is called "mutual aid".
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- machello13 6y ago
  Do you think this is some kind of clever counter argument? It just reveals that you think helping your fellow humans is a ridiculous idea.
  - elindbe2 6y ago
    No I'm literally suggesting you send me cash. Help your fellow human.
beprogrammed 6y ago
But are you really helping them? On the surface it would seem so, just give them money. But as always reality is much more complex. work -> to get money -> spend on the product of work vs get money -> spend on the product of work Does work have no value? The price of any given item will increase with the ammount required to make it worth while for somone to do and not just ride the handout. Production will plumit and costs will skyrocket. An old adage, Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Force a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime. Another way to think about it is as an energy system. As work is put in the energy in the system increases. The system currently has stored energy, but if you stop putting in energy and just consume it, in time you will deplete it.

Alekhine 6y ago

What do you think of social security?

EliRivers 6y ago

Let society crumble into a hellscape in which the majority have worse lives in exchange for the warm glow of knowing that at least they're not making life better for anyone else either. It's like a religious belief in some places. People accept the evidence of how to make a better society, in which valuable people who could contribute are actually enabled to do so and ultimately the required tax take to keep everyone alive actually goes down, but they'd literally rather not do that because helping other people offends their sense of self. Like the nonsense of many prison systems. Overwhelming evidence that it's an expensive way to get worse outcomes, but people just can't bring themselves to pay less for a better world if it means prisons are less hellscape.