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SF has a $360 million dollar a year budget for addressing the homeless situation. I'm not sure what funding they may also get in addition from the County and St
by vondur 6y ago
SF has a $360 million dollar a year budget for addressing the homeless situation. I'm not sure what funding they may also get in addition from the County and State Level.
- sroussey 6y agoIt was upped to about $600m. Good luck getting an audit.
- rmk 6y agoOkay, that is something on the order of $10,000 per person if there's a homeless population of 60,000 people. I doubt if SF has such a large homeless population. Does this $600 million cover things like Churches sheltering the homeless, pantries, and such? Or is it in addition to the the $600 million? Something is very rotten here.
- andrewstuart2 6y agoLooks like 8k or 10k as of January [1], depending on which standard you consider, though obviously that may have gone up with recent events. [1] https://sfgov.org/scorecards/safety-net/homeless-population https://sfgov.org/scorecards/safety-net/homeless-population
- mdorazio 6y agoYou're off by almost an order of magnitude [1]. Even if we say the official estimates are off by a huge margin and there are actually 20,000 homeless in SF, that's $30K per person, on top of however many millions are given out via begging and other programs. It's insanity. [1] https://sfgov.org/scorecards/safety-net/homeless-population https://sfgov.org/scorecards/safety-net/homeless-population
- rmk 6y agoOh my. I feel like I will never understand California politics. Such blatant corruption and such a large vulnerable population, but also such a huge 'woke' electorate. It would take some crazy mental gymnastics to reconcile these things.
- robertlagrant 6y agoSaid electorate is gradually moving elsewhere due to the issues and voting for the same policies that cause the same problems.
- rmk 6y agoYes. I have lived in the Bay Area for a long time now, but never really liked the general holier-than-thou attitude (interestingly, I keep meeting older people who have never turned conservative, but have instead turned even more rabidly leftist.) It's dispiriting to realise that moving elsewhere, to Texas, say, is no guarantee of being rid of this. The same cycle will likely be repeated, perhaps in the next decade or so!
- kortilla 6y agoBeing woke doesn’t translate to voting for good policies. You’re even more susceptible to voting for heartstrings boondoggles when you’re extra woke.
- rmk 6y agoCompletely agree with everything you said. But how does woke and liberal politics square with almost complete apathy to the the plight of the homeless (or of those verging on homelessness)? Almost nothing has been done to make housing affordable (even very modest, incremental bills in this regard have been shot down). If you consider the plight of agricultural workers and housing for them, you would be even more befuddled. 9.2% sales tax? Regressive tax on the poor. Gasoline tax? Again, hurts the poor the most. What am I missing here?
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- j8014 6y agoSF does have a huge homeless population. Yes it go's to homeless shelters and other charities/programs. We sometimes forget that not all homeless are chronic homeless which is what most people associate as homeless. Someone may be having hard times making rent and go to a church or other organization for financial help and other services. Battered women, at risk children also exist and may require a shelter with more security or women only shelters - which are funded too. There are many other services that exist that use that funding. I didn't see waste. Actually, I would go so far as say most charities that receive federal and state funding rely on reporting to receive those grants and funding and things are very transparent. HMIS is the tech side of things that build the systems to track and report on everything.
- asdff 6y agoSF has 10k homeless people. You can give everyone $60k a year outright right now and they would live a very comfortable life on that in the midwest.
- dllthomas 6y agoI don't have the bandwidth right now to consider the actual numbers, but one thing worth noting - as it's often overlooked in these discussions - is that much of the money spent on homelessness is spent keeping people in housing such that they're not homeless. Dividing by the number that still remain homeless isn't the right choice of denominator for anything meaningful.
- dkdk8283 6y agoAs someone who once earned money from a CA public project the wastes are gross negligence. All that money which is paid is almost certainly misappropriated.
- digitaltrees 6y agoMaybe if other states could be blocked from buying one way bus tickets for their homeless citizens and instead be responsible that would help.
- RhodesianHunter 6y agoThis is an urban legend and gets claimed in every major city. San Francisco has great weather, lots of well off people to panhandle from, and treats the homeless relatively better than its neighbors. It really is that simple.
- remote_phone 6y agoAbsolutely not an urban legend. https://www.sacbee.com/news/investigations/nevada-patient-busing/article2577189.html https://www.sacbee.com/news/investigations/nevada-patient-bu...
- dragonwriter 6y ago> This is an urban legend and gets claimed in every major city. It's not an urban legend, it's well documented and there have been lawsuits based on it.
- chaostheory 6y agoIt’s real. There are plenty of articles about it. The cities are playing hot potato with the homeless because there’s no federal program to deal with it. 80% of the homeless get back on their feet in months. It’s only 20% who are chronically homeless. It’s a mental health and drug abuse issue.
- digitaltrees 6y agoIt’s not an urban legend. Mayor Bloomberg had a well funded, well documented program in NYC. Quick duck duck go. Many others have piled on, so the burden has shifted to you. What support do you have for this being an urban legend? Literally one search shows sources from across the ideological spectrum covering this: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/us/homeless-busing-seattle-san-francisco.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/us/homeless-busing-seattl... https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/27/nyc-exports-homeless-across-country-without-telling-receiving-cities/ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/27/nyc-exports-ho...
- qgrgergfqgfev 6y agoMy take is that homelessness is a nationwide issue in the US more than anywhere else in the world, and its more visible in states that have more funding to address the issue. Knowing that, 360M$ is nowhere near enough to alleviate the symptoms, and nothing compared to what needs to be invested to cure the actual root cause.
- mlrtime 6y ago360 Million is cute, NYC spends over 3 Billion and still hasn't cracked it.