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Roughly 50% of voters in this election voted for Trump. His approval rating amongst his own voters is in the high 90%'s. If Trump is saying that the election is

Roughly 50% of voters in this election voted for Trump. His approval rating amongst his own voters is in the high 90%'s. If Trump is saying that the election is fraudulent and undermining the Democratic institutions of this country, then by definition all of his supporters are complicit. How is 50% of a nation's eligible voting population thinking that their future government is illegitimate not a societal failure? You gotta hand it to Putin. Two more election cycles like this and the US is toast and he never had to fire. a single shot. Turns out all you need to do is weaponize social media and use it against a country with low education standards like the US and you win. Meanwhile we are building multi-billion super-carriers and investing in stealth technology and all Putin needs is a troll farm in St Petersburg whispering that America's biggest threat is BLM, Socialists and Obama/Biden/Democratic boogeyman.

entropea 6y ago
I'm pretty sure like a used 1994 Ford Taurus worth of silly not even political ads on Facebook are the only social media manipulation by Russia evidenced? I may be wrong. These are domestic problems and much larger and longer stemming than just Russia starting all of it. Things were this bad before Trump, but Trump ripped off the facade of "decency".
krapp 6y ago
The point I'm trying to get across is that this specific mistrust isn't organic, it's driven by political propaganda.
- legolas2412 6y ago
  griffoa was arguing that people have lost trust in the system. Whether is it organically arosen from disagreement with the opposite side, or disinformation from political propaganda is a separate topic. It does not change the fact that america is a divided country where the rural half has lost trust in the urban half of the country.
  - krapp 6y ago
    >It does not change the fact that america is a divided country where the rural half has lost trust in the urban half of the country. There is no "rural half" and "urban half." Trump's rural support is primarily from white voters, but his support among other demographics is far lower. Black people seem to be voting for Biden in droves this time, and not all of them are in cities. And per capita, the urban half is closer to 80% versus the rural 20%. The narrative of "urban vs. rural" is populist propaganda, intended to imply that a solid half of the US supports Trump and that he represents the entirety of "rural" American identity, which isn't true.
    - zepto 6y ago
      Trump had huge support amongst Hispanic voters this time around. Also, urban vs rural may be propaganda, but it’s also simply true from a statistical point of view.
    - legolas2412 6y ago
      You seem to be implying that the divide is not rural or urban, but whites vs blacks, or rural whites vs everyone else. Seems to be away from the topic right? There is half the country supporting a candidate like trump because they are disgruntled of the other candidates. That was the point, and you don't get to wash your hands off the fact that the country is divided.
      - krapp 6y ago
        >You seem to be implying that the divide is not rural or urban, but whites vs blacks, or rural whites vs everyone else. I'm implying that race and class divisions are more relevant in American culture and politics than rural vs. urban, yes. As is right vs left. The narrative that the primary motive for Trump's support is a deep cultural anger by rural Americans against city-dwellers is entirely populist fiction. >There is half the country supporting a candidate like trump because they are disgruntled of the other candidates. Only about half of eligible voters even voted in 2016, and only half of them voted for Trump, a slight majority voted for Clinton. And eligible voters comprise about a third of the total population. Even if you took for granted that all rural voters support Trump, and all urban voters don't, Trump supporters would still be in the minority. >and you don't get to wash your hands off the fact that the country is divided Are you trying to imply there's blood on my hands? What precisely are you implying that I should be ashamed of? Your increasingly accusatory tone makes me not want to continue this conversation further.
- mas3god 6y ago
  Its a country ruled by 2 deeply corrupt parties, this problem goes deeper than trump claiming mail in votes are evil
JumpCrisscross 6y ago
> How is 50% of a nation's eligible voting population thinking that their future government is illegitimate not a societal failure? That’s a leap. Voters aren’t that ideologically coherent. A voter can vote for Trump, approve of Trump and not believe his every word about the electoral system. If anything, their voting for Trump implicitly endorsed it.

entropea 6y ago

I'm pretty sure like a used 1994 Ford Taurus worth of silly not even political ads on Facebook are the only social media manipulation by Russia evidenced? I may be wrong. These are domestic problems and much larger and longer stemming than just Russia starting all of it. Things were this bad before Trump, but Trump ripped off the facade of "decency".

krapp 6y ago

The point I'm trying to get across is that this specific mistrust isn't organic, it's driven by political propaganda.

legolas2412 6y ago
griffoa was arguing that people have lost trust in the system. Whether is it organically arosen from disagreement with the opposite side, or disinformation from political propaganda is a separate topic. It does not change the fact that america is a divided country where the rural half has lost trust in the urban half of the country.
- krapp 6y ago
  >It does not change the fact that america is a divided country where the rural half has lost trust in the urban half of the country. There is no "rural half" and "urban half." Trump's rural support is primarily from white voters, but his support among other demographics is far lower. Black people seem to be voting for Biden in droves this time, and not all of them are in cities. And per capita, the urban half is closer to 80% versus the rural 20%. The narrative of "urban vs. rural" is populist propaganda, intended to imply that a solid half of the US supports Trump and that he represents the entirety of "rural" American identity, which isn't true.
  - zepto 6y ago
    Trump had huge support amongst Hispanic voters this time around. Also, urban vs rural may be propaganda, but it’s also simply true from a statistical point of view.
  - legolas2412 6y ago
    You seem to be implying that the divide is not rural or urban, but whites vs blacks, or rural whites vs everyone else. Seems to be away from the topic right? There is half the country supporting a candidate like trump because they are disgruntled of the other candidates. That was the point, and you don't get to wash your hands off the fact that the country is divided.
    - krapp 6y ago
      >You seem to be implying that the divide is not rural or urban, but whites vs blacks, or rural whites vs everyone else. I'm implying that race and class divisions are more relevant in American culture and politics than rural vs. urban, yes. As is right vs left. The narrative that the primary motive for Trump's support is a deep cultural anger by rural Americans against city-dwellers is entirely populist fiction. >There is half the country supporting a candidate like trump because they are disgruntled of the other candidates. Only about half of eligible voters even voted in 2016, and only half of them voted for Trump, a slight majority voted for Clinton. And eligible voters comprise about a third of the total population. Even if you took for granted that all rural voters support Trump, and all urban voters don't, Trump supporters would still be in the minority. >and you don't get to wash your hands off the fact that the country is divided Are you trying to imply there's blood on my hands? What precisely are you implying that I should be ashamed of? Your increasingly accusatory tone makes me not want to continue this conversation further.
mas3god 6y ago
Its a country ruled by 2 deeply corrupt parties, this problem goes deeper than trump claiming mail in votes are evil

JumpCrisscross 6y ago

> How is 50% of a nation's eligible voting population thinking that their future government is illegitimate not a societal failure? That’s a leap. Voters aren’t that ideologically coherent. A voter can vote for Trump, approve of Trump and not believe his every word about the electoral system. If anything, their voting for Trump implicitly endorsed it.