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Most important problem missed with fancy IDE: Tiny monitor. Its like looking at your source code thru a paper towel tube instead of in VR. Even if you can ge

by VLM 6y ago

Most important problem missed with fancy IDE: Tiny monitor. Its like looking at your source code thru a paper towel tube instead of in VR. Even if you can get a bigger monitor and give up on laptops, you'd STILL get to see more code at once using VIM. Its "nice" and "interesting" I can see my build system innards on the left and with effort I can click them in and out but in practice people are lazy and just don't get to see as much.

formerly_proven 6y ago
> Even if you can get a bigger monitor and give up on laptops, you'd STILL get to see more code at once using VIM. At my preferred font size I get ~60 lines of code on a 27" screen in CLion, and at the very most you could get 65 lines in with no borders at all, at least two lines would also be used by vim. So... 3 more lines? For using an editor instead of an IDE? No thanks.
falkaer 6y ago
With PyCharm I've managed to hide every single part of the UI besides the editor itself (I only had to get one plugin for the last bit, main menu toggler) and just use keybinds to show parts as I need them, so it's definitely a problem you can solve if you like
TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
When I use JetBrains I have three 27" monitors - one in portrait - and multiple files open simultaneously in all of them, plus build messages, file lists, and run logging. And (sometimes) the debugger. For some projects I have different language environments - like CLion and PyCharm - open simultaneously. With a browser in the background for checking docs and StackOverflow. I suppose I could do all of that in Vim too, but I'm not sure why I'd want to. There are things I'd improve about JetBrains, not least the ability to effortlessly open the same project on different machines. Currently that's clunky for some languages. But generally it's a damn fine product.
kelnos 6y ago
This has generally not been an issue for me, and I code on a 13" laptop most of the time, with no external monitors. Even with all panes but the editor pane closed, there's still the toolbar, tab bar, status bar, and a bit more space taken up, but in practice I just don't find that it matters. Regardless, "can fit more code on one screen" is not even in my top 10 list of things I look for in my development environment.
EdwardDiego 6y ago
You'd like IDEA's distraction free mode then. > In Distraction-free mode, the editor occupies the entire main window with the source code centered. All other elements of the UI are hidden (tool windows, toolbars, and editor tabs) to help you focus on the source code of the current file. You can still use shortcuts to open tool windows, navigate, and perform other actions. https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/ide-viewing-modes.html https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/ide-viewing-modes.html
- 0-_-0 6y ago
  AKA Zen Mode in VSCode (F10)
Karliss 6y ago
At the same time some people are using plugins like limelight and goyo too see less in their vim setups.

by VLM 6y ago

formerly_proven 6y ago

> Even if you can get a bigger monitor and give up on laptops, you'd STILL get to see more code at once using VIM. At my preferred font size I get ~60 lines of code on a 27" screen in CLion, and at the very most you could get 65 lines in with no borders at all, at least two lines would also be used by vim. So... 3 more lines? For using an editor instead of an IDE? No thanks.

falkaer 6y ago

With PyCharm I've managed to hide every single part of the UI besides the editor itself (I only had to get one plugin for the last bit, main menu toggler) and just use keybinds to show parts as I need them, so it's definitely a problem you can solve if you like

TheOtherHobbes 6y ago

When I use JetBrains I have three 27" monitors - one in portrait - and multiple files open simultaneously in all of them, plus build messages, file lists, and run logging. And (sometimes) the debugger. For some projects I have different language environments - like CLion and PyCharm - open simultaneously. With a browser in the background for checking docs and StackOverflow. I suppose I could do all of that in Vim too, but I'm not sure why I'd want to. There are things I'd improve about JetBrains, not least the ability to effortlessly open the same project on different machines. Currently that's clunky for some languages. But generally it's a damn fine product.

kelnos 6y ago

This has generally not been an issue for me, and I code on a 13" laptop most of the time, with no external monitors. Even with all panes but the editor pane closed, there's still the toolbar, tab bar, status bar, and a bit more space taken up, but in practice I just don't find that it matters. Regardless, "can fit more code on one screen" is not even in my top 10 list of things I look for in my development environment.

EdwardDiego 6y ago

You'd like IDEA's distraction free mode then. > In Distraction-free mode, the editor occupies the entire main window with the source code centered. All other elements of the UI are hidden (tool windows, toolbars, and editor tabs) to help you focus on the source code of the current file. You can still use shortcuts to open tool windows, navigate, and perform other actions. https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/ide-viewing-modes.html https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/ide-viewing-modes.html

0-_-0 6y ago
AKA Zen Mode in VSCode (F10)

Karliss 6y ago

At the same time some people are using plugins like limelight and goyo too see less in their vim setups.