> But it doesn’t always get much traction on here because both the founder and employees of cloudflare are quite popular users on HN. I don't think it gets muc

> But it doesn’t always get much traction on here because both the founder and employees of cloudflare are quite popular users on HN. I don't think it gets much traction because you're barking up the wrong tree. Also, suggesting that YC is out to silence you and that nobody actually has a counter argument isn't very good for traction, either. Until my website can't get taken off by a $5 rental of an internet-of-shit botnet, Cloudflare gives me and my users recourse against the bad actors of the world. (I also enjoy its host cloaking for my privacy) You simply gloss over bad actors and attack one of the only solutions that works. The biggest threat to the open internet was its naive "there are no bad actors" design, not the people giving us one of the only bulwarks against bad design. I agree with your last sentence that it would be nice to have a better middle ground, but notice that's not the "cloudflare bad" thesis of your comment. The internet needs to be improved so that Cloudflare is redundant. It's not Cloudflare's fault that fundamental design oversights (like optional ISP egress filtering) have created a lucrative niche. And things like faster, unlimited data plans accessible by smart toasters and smart doorbells on top of the internet's naive architecture only entrenches Cloudflare further.