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Isn't this simply talking about personal websites? They haven't gone away, a lot moved to wordpress which gives them a cookie cutter feel, but a lot of other on

Isn't this simply talking about personal websites? They haven't gone away, a lot moved to wordpress which gives them a cookie cutter feel, but a lot of other ones are still independent and feel like they're on their own.

brudgers 6y ago
Wordpress is agribusiness that's why Wordpress sites tend toward uniformity.
superkuh 6y ago
Yes. It's a rebranding. But I've used the term before myself when trying to highlight the two classes of web that exist today. http://superkuh.com/blog/2020-02-22-1.html http://superkuh.com/blog/2020-02-22-1.html
mikestew 6y ago
They haven't gone away, a lot moved to wordpress which gives them a cookie cutter feel If you come to my WordPress site to ogle my amazing, individual, and unique web design skills, then you definitely came for the wrong reasons.
exolymph 6y ago
Of course, but doesn't "digital gardens" sound much nicer and friendlier? That's the point.
tvanantwerp 6y ago
I think it's a move away not from WordPress specifically, but the kind of structure a "blog" providers. Personal sites for so long have been: home, about, portfolio, blog. Digital gardens seem to be more along the lines of: I'm gonna dump whatever I want here in whatever style and structure I like because it's my site and you can't tell me no.
SamBam 6y ago
From the description, this is more about personal wikis or notebooks. Individual pages may get edited again and again, and nothing is necessarily in a "polished for publication" state. In exploring new notebook apps -- like Notion, which allows you to publish pages and subpages -- I've found numerous examples of people having basically their own notebooks open on the web, such as https://notes.andymatuschak.org/ https://notes.andymatuschak.org/
- tenkabuto 6y ago
  As someone with a site like that, I've found it to be very freeing to just publish some thoughts and tweak them over time. When I tried to blog, I felt too much pressure to make something super high-quality and definitive, that will stand the tests of time and never be edited... So I ended up publishing nothing besides the "I'm starting to blog again!" posts or something small and safe. + By tweaking over time, the work can unwittingly become bigger, better, or more polished than it'd have been if I'd tried to make something so intense from the start.
selfhoster11 6y ago
They have been largely supplanted by Facebook, Instagram, Twitter etc. A resurgence in the concept of personal websites/digital gardens and protocols like Gemini is encouraging.
unicornporn 6y ago
> They haven't gone away, a lot moved to wordpress Very dumbed down: the garden is the wiki, the blog is the stream. They both have different roles and many gardeners let them complement each other. Listen to this if you are interested in understanding more: https://archive.org/details/gardens-and-streams-wikis-blogs-and-ui-popup-indie-web-camp-session-2020 https://archive.org/details/gardens-and-streams-wikis-blogs-... Here's very well tended garden: https://philosopher.life/ https://philosopher.life/
- h0p3 6y ago
  o7, `/salute` I am surprised to see this. My name is h0p3. It's a pleasure to meet you.
  - unicornporn 6y ago
    Life is full of surprises! My name is not unicornporn. The pleasure is very much on my side! Perhaps I should write you a fan mail...
    - h0p3 6y ago
      Hai there, ¬unicornporn (forgive the dad joke, por favor). Indeed, life is, nomad. ^‿^ Perhaps it is one of your names? Well, whoever you are, it's my honor. And, for the record, maybe you already have spoken with me, for all I know. I am, sadly, absurdly slow in my letter-writing (it's downright shameful), and I don't want to disappoint any further than I probably already have. I will continue to work on that front. But, I am also happy to piece together a faster channel. I think we have an enormous amount in common. As to this account, I have run into it a few times (this is my second time through your account), but I've been too shy to say anything. You are quite a beacon on this forum. It is very rare for me to speak with my voice to anyone who isn't basically family or in my physical proximity (and even then, I'm often quiet). However, for an irrational reason I can't quite put my finger on, I have a good feeling about you. If you are ever up for it, I would gladly speak in voicechat with you.
      - 6y ago

brudgers 6y ago

Wordpress is agribusiness that's why Wordpress sites tend toward uniformity.

superkuh 6y ago

Yes. It's a rebranding. But I've used the term before myself when trying to highlight the two classes of web that exist today. http://superkuh.com/blog/2020-02-22-1.html http://superkuh.com/blog/2020-02-22-1.html

mikestew 6y ago

They haven't gone away, a lot moved to wordpress which gives them a cookie cutter feel If you come to my WordPress site to ogle my amazing, individual, and unique web design skills, then you definitely came for the wrong reasons.

exolymph 6y ago

Of course, but doesn't "digital gardens" sound much nicer and friendlier? That's the point.

tvanantwerp 6y ago

I think it's a move away not from WordPress specifically, but the kind of structure a "blog" providers. Personal sites for so long have been: home, about, portfolio, blog. Digital gardens seem to be more along the lines of: I'm gonna dump whatever I want here in whatever style and structure I like because it's my site and you can't tell me no.

SamBam 6y ago

From the description, this is more about personal wikis or notebooks. Individual pages may get edited again and again, and nothing is necessarily in a "polished for publication" state. In exploring new notebook apps -- like Notion, which allows you to publish pages and subpages -- I've found numerous examples of people having basically their own notebooks open on the web, such as https://notes.andymatuschak.org/ https://notes.andymatuschak.org/

tenkabuto 6y ago
As someone with a site like that, I've found it to be very freeing to just publish some thoughts and tweak them over time. When I tried to blog, I felt too much pressure to make something super high-quality and definitive, that will stand the tests of time and never be edited... So I ended up publishing nothing besides the "I'm starting to blog again!" posts or something small and safe. + By tweaking over time, the work can unwittingly become bigger, better, or more polished than it'd have been if I'd tried to make something so intense from the start.

selfhoster11 6y ago

They have been largely supplanted by Facebook, Instagram, Twitter etc. A resurgence in the concept of personal websites/digital gardens and protocols like Gemini is encouraging.

unicornporn 6y ago

> They haven't gone away, a lot moved to wordpress Very dumbed down: the garden is the wiki, the blog is the stream. They both have different roles and many gardeners let them complement each other. Listen to this if you are interested in understanding more: https://archive.org/details/gardens-and-streams-wikis-blogs-and-ui-popup-indie-web-camp-session-2020 https://archive.org/details/gardens-and-streams-wikis-blogs-... Here's very well tended garden: https://philosopher.life/ https://philosopher.life/

h0p3 6y ago
o7, `/salute` I am surprised to see this. My name is h0p3. It's a pleasure to meet you.
- unicornporn 6y ago
  Life is full of surprises! My name is not unicornporn. The pleasure is very much on my side! Perhaps I should write you a fan mail...
  - h0p3 6y ago
    Hai there, ¬unicornporn (forgive the dad joke, por favor). Indeed, life is, nomad. ^‿^ Perhaps it is one of your names? Well, whoever you are, it's my honor. And, for the record, maybe you already have spoken with me, for all I know. I am, sadly, absurdly slow in my letter-writing (it's downright shameful), and I don't want to disappoint any further than I probably already have. I will continue to work on that front. But, I am also happy to piece together a faster channel. I think we have an enormous amount in common. As to this account, I have run into it a few times (this is my second time through your account), but I've been too shy to say anything. You are quite a beacon on this forum. It is very rare for me to speak with my voice to anyone who isn't basically family or in my physical proximity (and even then, I'm often quiet). However, for an irrational reason I can't quite put my finger on, I have a good feeling about you. If you are ever up for it, I would gladly speak in voicechat with you.
    - 6y ago