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> The term "intellectual dark web" merely means "disagreeing with liberals." I'm not sure how else you'd describe this beyond "socially conservative" Idk it se

> The term "intellectual dark web" merely means "disagreeing with liberals." I'm not sure how else you'd describe this beyond "socially conservative" Idk it seems like liberals act like they're morally superior. That's insufferable and why minorities, etc. are voting against them. No one likes being told they're irredeemable and need to repent. And insofar as "the liberals" can't introspect, they're not considering that they're deluding themselves into thinking they represent the working class when they largely represent the affluent, educated people who know the intricate socially profitable phrases to say among their conformist city friends. So basically - are liberals so infallible that "disagreeing with liberals" means you're socially conservative? Hogwash!

SamBam 6y ago
...I think you're attaching whole new meanings to the term "socially conservative" than is warranted. Do you think the term so evil that the ideas can't be associated with it? I mean, all the stances I posted above are ones firmly held by, say, Ben Shapiro, someone who is often considered "intellectual dark web," and absolutely considers himself "conservative." No where did I suggest that liberals were infallible. I was simply pointing out that all those themes that I saw repeated day after day on Quillette were common grievances of socially-conservative writers. What's wrong with saying that?
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
  I'm saying that many liberals seem to think any criticism is assumed to be coming from conservatives. You realize how presumptuous and lacking in self-awareness it is to dismiss criticism as essentially "clearly the enemy," instead of actually considering the content of their argument? Would it really be hard to expand your mind by considering even the hypothetical possibility they're right?
  - SamBam 6y ago
    Again, you're putting words in my mouth, or you read my original post about Quillette in a tone that I absolutely didn't write it in. Nowhere did I suggest that they are or aren't right about these issues. And when I say Ben Shapiro's beliefs are socially-conservative, that's his language, it's nothing to do with "assuming" it's coming from conservatives, or "the enemy," or anything like that. Again, I'm completely puzzled by your apparent horror that saying that the ideas expressed are "socially conservative." It sounds like you're the one who has a reaction to the "conservative" label, rather than seeing that all sorts of people may have a constellation of liberal beliefs and conservative beliefs.
    - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
      No, it's because, in my opinion, the socially profitable slogans and ideas about identity are not suddenly ways to define people as "socially conservative". I mean, sure, maybe if you're looking for the extreme and literal sense of anyone who doesn't automatically accept any proposal to impose new social norms as conservative, but that's almost meaningless.

SamBam 6y ago

...I think you're attaching whole new meanings to the term "socially conservative" than is warranted. Do you think the term so evil that the ideas can't be associated with it? I mean, all the stances I posted above are ones firmly held by, say, Ben Shapiro, someone who is often considered "intellectual dark web," and absolutely considers himself "conservative." No where did I suggest that liberals were infallible. I was simply pointing out that all those themes that I saw repeated day after day on Quillette were common grievances of socially-conservative writers. What's wrong with saying that?

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
I'm saying that many liberals seem to think any criticism is assumed to be coming from conservatives. You realize how presumptuous and lacking in self-awareness it is to dismiss criticism as essentially "clearly the enemy," instead of actually considering the content of their argument? Would it really be hard to expand your mind by considering even the hypothetical possibility they're right?
- SamBam 6y ago
  Again, you're putting words in my mouth, or you read my original post about Quillette in a tone that I absolutely didn't write it in. Nowhere did I suggest that they are or aren't right about these issues. And when I say Ben Shapiro's beliefs are socially-conservative, that's his language, it's nothing to do with "assuming" it's coming from conservatives, or "the enemy," or anything like that. Again, I'm completely puzzled by your apparent horror that saying that the ideas expressed are "socially conservative." It sounds like you're the one who has a reaction to the "conservative" label, rather than seeing that all sorts of people may have a constellation of liberal beliefs and conservative beliefs.
  - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
    No, it's because, in my opinion, the socially profitable slogans and ideas about identity are not suddenly ways to define people as "socially conservative". I mean, sure, maybe if you're looking for the extreme and literal sense of anyone who doesn't automatically accept any proposal to impose new social norms as conservative, but that's almost meaningless.