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Awesome. Now show me an Antivirus that will have Firewall / Live scanning / Live protection that is made using HTML and JS. Or you make one using HTML and JS.

Awesome. Now show me an Antivirus that will have Firewall / Live scanning / Live protection that is made using HTML and JS. Or you make one using HTML and JS. I hate Java. I really do. But when it comes to absolute same experience on cross-platform is the only programming language so far. None else is in the same league as Java. A distant second would be Free Pascal/Lazarus but their richness of libraries is like 10% of Java's. And please do not come with Xamarin, that monstrosity must be killed.

wsc981 6y ago
I kinda like Xamarin and use it mainly to create internal business apps for multiple platforms. I also write a lot of native code for iOS and Android and feel comfortable writing Objective-C, Swift, Java and C#. In case of Android-only I would actually rather use C# and Xamarin than Java. Why do you feel Xamarin is a monstrosity that must be killed?
- unnouinceput 6y ago
  Because is MFC, another monstrosity that thank God it died, under a different hat. Microsoft are just re-polishing their old way, nothing remotely innovative there.
mrtksn 6y ago
I don't think you can make an antivirus, firewall or similar with an UI framework anyway so you will have to go native regardless. Just stick to a native UI framework of your choice.
- unnouinceput 6y ago
  You're missing my point. You can have both full cross-platform AND native with Free Pascal/Lazarus. And making an AV is within its reach, technologically speaking.
- phonon 6y ago
  Sciter is commonly used for anti-virus programs (600 million PCs....) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/c-smile/open-source-sciter-engine https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/c-smile/open-source-sci... (check the logos) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23167751 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23167751
  - unnouinceput 6y ago
    That's the UI, not the engine itself. My point is to actually make the engine, i.e access files/network packets. I wanna see HTML/JS doing that.
trboyden 6y ago
If Java was the end all be all, people wouldn't keep trying to create cross-platform UI frameworks. The truth is Java never lived up to it's hype, Flash ate its lunch when it came to browser-launched applications, and given Oracle's licensing and policies towards Java, no IP is truly safe that is built-upon its technology. If your app got popular enough, a greedy Oracle will come after you, i.e. Android.
acuozzo 6y ago
> I hate Java. I really do. But when it comes to absolute same experience on cross-platform is the only programming language so far. The problem is that if we're talking about UIs, then Java is only cross-platform for the platforms you care about. From a UI perspective, JRandom app using Swing won't work as expected on an Android phone. That's not "absolute same experience on cross-platform". That's instead a portability problem that you must solve explicitly by adapting your codebase to support two different UI frameworks or planning ahead for every possible porting target.

wsc981 6y ago

I kinda like Xamarin and use it mainly to create internal business apps for multiple platforms. I also write a lot of native code for iOS and Android and feel comfortable writing Objective-C, Swift, Java and C#. In case of Android-only I would actually rather use C# and Xamarin than Java. Why do you feel Xamarin is a monstrosity that must be killed?

unnouinceput 6y ago
Because is MFC, another monstrosity that thank God it died, under a different hat. Microsoft are just re-polishing their old way, nothing remotely innovative there.

mrtksn 6y ago

I don't think you can make an antivirus, firewall or similar with an UI framework anyway so you will have to go native regardless. Just stick to a native UI framework of your choice.

unnouinceput 6y ago
You're missing my point. You can have both full cross-platform AND native with Free Pascal/Lazarus. And making an AV is within its reach, technologically speaking.
phonon 6y ago
Sciter is commonly used for anti-virus programs (600 million PCs....) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/c-smile/open-source-sciter-engine https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/c-smile/open-source-sci... (check the logos) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23167751 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23167751
- unnouinceput 6y ago
  That's the UI, not the engine itself. My point is to actually make the engine, i.e access files/network packets. I wanna see HTML/JS doing that.

trboyden 6y ago

If Java was the end all be all, people wouldn't keep trying to create cross-platform UI frameworks. The truth is Java never lived up to it's hype, Flash ate its lunch when it came to browser-launched applications, and given Oracle's licensing and policies towards Java, no IP is truly safe that is built-upon its technology. If your app got popular enough, a greedy Oracle will come after you, i.e. Android.

acuozzo 6y ago

> I hate Java. I really do. But when it comes to absolute same experience on cross-platform is the only programming language so far. The problem is that if we're talking about UIs, then Java is only cross-platform for the platforms you care about. From a UI perspective, JRandom app using Swing won't work as expected on an Android phone. That's not "absolute same experience on cross-platform". That's instead a portability problem that you must solve explicitly by adapting your codebase to support two different UI frameworks or planning ahead for every possible porting target.