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It’s a decentralized version control system though! It seems tough to make the argument that M$ are trying to suppress free software speech through GitHub. Li

by nstj 6y ago

It’s a decentralized version control system though! It seems tough to make the argument that M$ are trying to suppress free software speech through GitHub. Literally, a Git project can be redistributed immediately if it was ever taken down by GitHub so the argument that M$ is trying to control open source seems pretty soft.

qz2 6y ago
It’s mostly about mindshare. Microsoft are running Bartertown and and are doing a pretty good impression of Master Blaster. Ironically youtube-dl just got dragged into the thunder dome. You can trade outside Bartertown but it’s going to have low visibility.
- nstj 6y ago
  I can sort of buy that argument; but in that case it seems the problem is just that M$ is a company which many people dislike? Not that there are actual restrictiveness issues?
  - qz2 6y ago
    Rightfully dislike yes. They have a very long history of making the wrong decision almost universally, being a monopolist and abusive towards suppliers and customers. People are afraid that they will do that again after relying on them as a foundation for their product or experience based on some trite promise of "we changed". So when something happens, the attribution and a hypothesis is already formed. Unfortunately, based on my experiences attempting to fight their universal telemetry, the promise they made is invalid. So why should I trust any of their other promises? I think a lot of people are there too.
caymanjim 6y ago
Git is a decentralized version control system. GitHub is a centralized source code repository. That GitHub happens to use Git is ancillary.
- nstj 6y ago
  How is GitHub a centralized source code repository? It vends copies of DVCS files
beagle3 6y ago
The web is a decentralized hypertext information system. And yet, through IE and strategies leveraging their OS monopoly, Microsoft has put the web into the IE5.5/IE6 dark age. It's been a while - almost a decade. But those of us who have have witnessed Microsoft's Embrace, Extend & Extinguish strategy deployed several times (with lesser and greater success) are warey. Specifically, the way GitHub "embraced and extended" git (even before the Microsoft acquisition) is to have quite a few things outside the repository - like issues. You can take your source anywhere you want, but a project with 30,000 issues is going to have trouble migrating those issues.

by nstj 6y ago

qz2 6y ago

It’s mostly about mindshare. Microsoft are running Bartertown and and are doing a pretty good impression of Master Blaster. Ironically youtube-dl just got dragged into the thunder dome. You can trade outside Bartertown but it’s going to have low visibility.

nstj 6y ago
I can sort of buy that argument; but in that case it seems the problem is just that M$ is a company which many people dislike? Not that there are actual restrictiveness issues?
- qz2 6y ago
  Rightfully dislike yes. They have a very long history of making the wrong decision almost universally, being a monopolist and abusive towards suppliers and customers. People are afraid that they will do that again after relying on them as a foundation for their product or experience based on some trite promise of "we changed". So when something happens, the attribution and a hypothesis is already formed. Unfortunately, based on my experiences attempting to fight their universal telemetry, the promise they made is invalid. So why should I trust any of their other promises? I think a lot of people are there too.

caymanjim 6y ago

Git is a decentralized version control system. GitHub is a centralized source code repository. That GitHub happens to use Git is ancillary.

nstj 6y ago
How is GitHub a centralized source code repository? It vends copies of DVCS files

beagle3 6y ago

The web is a decentralized hypertext information system. And yet, through IE and strategies leveraging their OS monopoly, Microsoft has put the web into the IE5.5/IE6 dark age. It's been a while - almost a decade. But those of us who have have witnessed Microsoft's Embrace, Extend & Extinguish strategy deployed several times (with lesser and greater success) are warey. Specifically, the way GitHub "embraced and extended" git (even before the Microsoft acquisition) is to have quite a few things outside the repository - like issues. You can take your source anywhere you want, but a project with 30,000 issues is going to have trouble migrating those issues.