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Looking from outside it's an horror show. No voter ID, no physical marks on person all ready voted. Most bizzare is the mail ballot how do you even trust those.

by rtx 6y ago

Fezzik 6y ago
The mail in ballot is probably the most secure element of the whole voting system. So long as your address is up-to-date with the Dept. of Motor Vehicles you are sent a barcoded/secure ballot and return envelope. Multiple states have been doing this for decades with effectively zero fraud. The few errors have been from people not updating their addresses or people filing out absentee ballots sent to old addresses, which is an entire different issue. Or there was one guy in Oregon that underwent a kidney transplant around election time, moved, and accidentally voted twice because he received two ballots. He did not even remember doing so he was so haggard. The only real impediment/threat to voting is the Republican party doing any and everything they can to limit peoples’ ability to vote.
- rtx 6y ago
  If the politicians I know we're fighting in America all of them would have access to additional ballots.
bleepblorp 6y ago
Extensive ID requirements and indelible dyes are measures to minimize voter fraud, such as voting by ineligible persons or eligible persons voting more than once. Voter fraud is nearly non-existent in the United States.[0] The overwhelming problem with American elections is electoral fraud, a term which encompasses such things as preventing eligible voters from voting, not counting legitimate ballots, voter intimidation, and jerrymandering. These problems cannot be fixed through measures intended to minimize voter fraud as they are the result of the state, and/or parties, abusing the democratic process rather than the citizen abusing it. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/24/fbi-has-not-seen-evidence-of-widespread-voter-fraud-director-wray-tells-senators.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/24/fbi-has-not-seen-evidence-of...
- rtx 6y ago
  Isnt it obvious that it will always be the political party that will be doing the fraud.
  - totalZero 6y ago
    Not in a two-party system where both parties are deeply entrenched in all aspects of political life, no.
JamesBarney 6y ago
It's incredibly rare because it's very hard to both have an impact and get away with it not to mention the consequences of being caught are a felony. You need to commit a lot of voter fraud to swing an election, it has to be a very close election. Like one state and 20,000 to 100,000 vote. A once in a 30-50 year election. You need to figure out before hand which state will be swing state that decides the election. Now you have to commit voter fraud 50,000 times in that state. You can't do it in person because the numbers are too larger so you have to do mail-in. How do you find 20,000-50,000 people across the state who you can get a mail in ballot for, steal it, and turn it in without anyone noticing. This is basically an impossible task that even if you pull off has a low chance of making a difference, and a large chance of sending you to jail.
totalZero 6y ago
In PA, my understanding is that you must show ID the first time you vote at a new polling place. I would trust mail ballots because they are delivered to your residence. Pretty hard for a foreign actor to fake/game that kind of system -- or at least, harder than posting a bunch of inorganic FUD comments on social media such as HN.

Looking from outside it's an horror show. No voter ID, no physical marks on person all ready voted. Most bizzare is the mail ballot how do you even trust those.

by rtx 6y ago

Looking from outside it's an horror show. No voter ID, no physical marks on person all ready voted. Most bizzare is the mail ballot how do you even trust those.

Fezzik 6y ago

The mail in ballot is probably the most secure element of the whole voting system. So long as your address is up-to-date with the Dept. of Motor Vehicles you are sent a barcoded/secure ballot and return envelope. Multiple states have been doing this for decades with effectively zero fraud. The few errors have been from people not updating their addresses or people filing out absentee ballots sent to old addresses, which is an entire different issue. Or there was one guy in Oregon that underwent a kidney transplant around election time, moved, and accidentally voted twice because he received two ballots. He did not even remember doing so he was so haggard. The only real impediment/threat to voting is the Republican party doing any and everything they can to limit peoples’ ability to vote.

rtx 6y ago
If the politicians I know we're fighting in America all of them would have access to additional ballots.

bleepblorp 6y ago

Extensive ID requirements and indelible dyes are measures to minimize voter fraud, such as voting by ineligible persons or eligible persons voting more than once. Voter fraud is nearly non-existent in the United States.[0] The overwhelming problem with American elections is electoral fraud, a term which encompasses such things as preventing eligible voters from voting, not counting legitimate ballots, voter intimidation, and jerrymandering. These problems cannot be fixed through measures intended to minimize voter fraud as they are the result of the state, and/or parties, abusing the democratic process rather than the citizen abusing it. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/24/fbi-has-not-seen-evidence-of-widespread-voter-fraud-director-wray-tells-senators.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/24/fbi-has-not-seen-evidence-of...

rtx 6y ago
Isnt it obvious that it will always be the political party that will be doing the fraud.
- totalZero 6y ago
  Not in a two-party system where both parties are deeply entrenched in all aspects of political life, no.

JamesBarney 6y ago

It's incredibly rare because it's very hard to both have an impact and get away with it not to mention the consequences of being caught are a felony. You need to commit a lot of voter fraud to swing an election, it has to be a very close election. Like one state and 20,000 to 100,000 vote. A once in a 30-50 year election. You need to figure out before hand which state will be swing state that decides the election. Now you have to commit voter fraud 50,000 times in that state. You can't do it in person because the numbers are too larger so you have to do mail-in. How do you find 20,000-50,000 people across the state who you can get a mail in ballot for, steal it, and turn it in without anyone noticing. This is basically an impossible task that even if you pull off has a low chance of making a difference, and a large chance of sending you to jail.

totalZero 6y ago

In PA, my understanding is that you must show ID the first time you vote at a new polling place. I would trust mail ballots because they are delivered to your residence. Pretty hard for a foreign actor to fake/game that kind of system -- or at least, harder than posting a bunch of inorganic FUD comments on social media such as HN.