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Unfortunate it’s limited to cars

cbozeman 6y ago
Small moves, Ellie. Small moves.
me_me_me 6y ago
and it makes it much easier in court to argue that we already have it for cars, why not computers, phones and washing machines.
- pabs3 6y ago
  and software.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - pjfin123 6y ago
    I wonder what the equivalent would look like for software. Open-source obviously, but what does a "right to repair" look like for a SAAS app? It sounds like this rule is mainly about accessing information about the vehicle so maybe requirements to allow consumers to export their data in a reasonable format.
    - pabs3 6y ago
      A right to repair for software would be substantially similar to open source, perhaps with restrictions on commercial use, although in the car space, a right to repair is mostly about giving commercial repairers access, so maybe in software it would just mean mandating all software be open source :) Edit: perhaps the commercial case could be limited to sharing a copy with a consultant, having them do the repair job, give you back the code and then delete their copy. For service as a software substitute (SaaSS), I guess if you should have the right to extract your data too.
      - pjfin123 6y ago
        http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-se...
  - nine_k 6y ago
    You can repair what you own. Most commercial software is rented, not owned. Your iPhone's hardware is yours, but the iOS it runs is Apple's, and whatever runs in the baseband processor may belong to some third parties like Qualcomm. But if you own a copy of software, you usually can patch it to your heart's content. Selling patched copies may be a different deal. (Of course, easy with open source.)
    - vizzier 6y ago
      Not a US ruling but in the EU courts in 2012 upheld that copyright exhaustion happens even if a piece of software is "licensed not sold". Though many questions still remain and the ruling is pretty old now. [1] Seems there was also some movement on this in France in 2019[2], though a french ruling I don't see why the same implementation wouldn't be applicable to all EU states based on the above. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license#Ownership_vs._licensing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license#Ownership_vs.... [2]https://www.engadget.com/2019-09-19-french-court-valve-steam-resold.html https://www.engadget.com/2019-09-19-french-court-valve-steam...
- SamReidHughes 6y ago
  In court? What are you talking about?

Small moves, Ellie. Small moves.

and it makes it much easier in court to argue that we already have it for cars, why not computers, phones and washing machines.

pabs3 6y ago
and software.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- pjfin123 6y ago
  I wonder what the equivalent would look like for software. Open-source obviously, but what does a "right to repair" look like for a SAAS app? It sounds like this rule is mainly about accessing information about the vehicle so maybe requirements to allow consumers to export their data in a reasonable format.
  - pabs3 6y ago
    A right to repair for software would be substantially similar to open source, perhaps with restrictions on commercial use, although in the car space, a right to repair is mostly about giving commercial repairers access, so maybe in software it would just mean mandating all software be open source :) Edit: perhaps the commercial case could be limited to sharing a copy with a consultant, having them do the repair job, give you back the code and then delete their copy. For service as a software substitute (SaaSS), I guess if you should have the right to extract your data too.
    - pjfin123 6y ago
      http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-se...
- nine_k 6y ago
  You can repair what you own. Most commercial software is rented, not owned. Your iPhone's hardware is yours, but the iOS it runs is Apple's, and whatever runs in the baseband processor may belong to some third parties like Qualcomm. But if you own a copy of software, you usually can patch it to your heart's content. Selling patched copies may be a different deal. (Of course, easy with open source.)
  - vizzier 6y ago
    Not a US ruling but in the EU courts in 2012 upheld that copyright exhaustion happens even if a piece of software is "licensed not sold". Though many questions still remain and the ruling is pretty old now. [1] Seems there was also some movement on this in France in 2019[2], though a french ruling I don't see why the same implementation wouldn't be applicable to all EU states based on the above. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license#Ownership_vs._licensing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license#Ownership_vs.... [2]https://www.engadget.com/2019-09-19-french-court-valve-steam-resold.html https://www.engadget.com/2019-09-19-french-court-valve-steam...
SamReidHughes 6y ago
In court? What are you talking about?