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That's fine for "toy" tools, but please don't try to shoehorn real productivity tools (whether they might need an Internet connection or not) in the so limited

That's fine for "toy" tools, but please don't try to shoehorn real productivity tools (whether they might need an Internet connection or not) in the so limited browser GUI ! EDIT: One recent example in mind : the web-based Big Blue Button video conferencing app : there doesn't seem to be a way to open chat and slide screen in two separate windows ! When your GUI is worse than what we had in Windows freaking 3.11, there's something that went really wrong...

ecmascript 6y ago
So you would seriously suggest that none of these apps are productivity tools: Visual Studio Code Slack / Teams / Skype Fastmail / Gmail / Protonmail etc GSuite / Office365 Figma Conference apps like Google Meet, Discord etc Pixlr Music apps like Spotify, Tidal, Youtube Music, Apple Music etc Trello / Jira etc Seriously, there is only a few apps that I use that are not web apps. Suggesting that these multi million projects would be toy projects is just silly and ignorant. You're the typical HN elitist, good job.
- BlueTemplar 6y ago
  That's not what I said ? A lot of them are doing their best, but they are worse off being run in a browser ! For instance the Electron apps not only are generally slower than native programs, but if they are designed to also work in parallel in-browser (or god forbid, mobile), they are likely to be crippled in their keyboard shortcuts, or, as I already mentioned, multi-windows, both of those being foreign to web design. - The new Skype is much worse than the old one. - Gmail and Protonmail are much slower than Thunderbird. Protonmail also has less features. - Gsuite is slower and has less features than Libre Office… with the exception of real-time collaborative editing, pushing it into a category of its own. - Discord is perhaps the only program in this list that I've used that I would classify as "good", though it can sometimes be a bit heavy…

ecmascript 6y ago

So you would seriously suggest that none of these apps are productivity tools: Visual Studio Code Slack / Teams / Skype Fastmail / Gmail / Protonmail etc GSuite / Office365 Figma Conference apps like Google Meet, Discord etc Pixlr Music apps like Spotify, Tidal, Youtube Music, Apple Music etc Trello / Jira etc Seriously, there is only a few apps that I use that are not web apps. Suggesting that these multi million projects would be toy projects is just silly and ignorant. You're the typical HN elitist, good job.

BlueTemplar 6y ago
That's not what I said ? A lot of them are doing their best, but they are worse off being run in a browser ! For instance the Electron apps not only are generally slower than native programs, but if they are designed to also work in parallel in-browser (or god forbid, mobile), they are likely to be crippled in their keyboard shortcuts, or, as I already mentioned, multi-windows, both of those being foreign to web design. - The new Skype is much worse than the old one. - Gmail and Protonmail are much slower than Thunderbird. Protonmail also has less features. - Gsuite is slower and has less features than Libre Office… with the exception of real-time collaborative editing, pushing it into a category of its own. - Discord is perhaps the only program in this list that I've used that I would classify as "good", though it can sometimes be a bit heavy…