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Completely agree. Buttigieg (Mayor Pete) talked about this a great deal in his book. As a gay man, he recounted working with Mike Pence (Trump's VP) while Pence

Completely agree. Buttigieg (Mayor Pete) talked about this a great deal in his book. As a gay man, he recounted working with Mike Pence (Trump's VP) while Pence was governor of Indiana and he was mayor of South Bend. Talk about two guys you wouldn't expect to get along. The key, as you pointed out, as did Buttigieg, is to identify areas where there are shared problems you can work together to solve. There's something about local government that seems to encourage this, in my opinion. Maybe you think gay people are awful and I go the pride march every year. Guess what, the water main is still leaking, and building permits take too long. Maybe we can just focus on working together to solve real problems, and accept that there are a range of social issues where we probably won't ever agree? And that's just fine? I think we used to know how to do this in the United States, but something changed.

tayo42 6y ago
Idk, I feel like that's just conceding on the topic. The modern conservative is just a party of no. I want to do something, they say no. I move on to something else? That's just losing.
- xapata 6y ago
  No, it's not losing, it's prioritizing.
xapata 6y ago
> something changed It's worth considering what changed. Demographics changed, but we've always had some kind of mixed cultures and ethnicities. The history of it has been an expansion of who gets to be the "majority". Like Rome redefining who is a citizen. Maybe it's broadcast media, but there's been national publications since the founding of the US. Looking back to Antiquity, our situation doesn't seem so abnormal. I think it's just the ebb and flow of how groups of people interact with each other.
- DubiousPusher 6y ago
  It's amazing how old our problems are. By that I mean how much they come up throughout history. - Who counts as a citizen - Who has the land - Who gets welfare/benefits - Who is anathema - Who mediates power (bureaucrats? nobility? monarch? people?) It's like a laundry list of issues that bagged ancient Rome, enlightenment France and late Tsarist Russia. EDIT: It blew my mind when I actually started to read up on the French Revolution and found that besides what to do with the Monarchy, the issue that really divided them was Universal Manhood Suffrage. For years I had been fed the vague notion that some quasi-social-utopian issues were at the heart of it. But they really just couldn't agree on whether all men should be allowed to vote.
  - eldavido 6y ago
    "Don't study liberal arts. It's a huge waste of time."
    - mistermann 6y ago
      "And especially not philosophy or psychology - only losers who can't cut it in STEM take those courses". - Me, not all that many years ago
evan_ 6y ago
how much time does the mayor of a state's #4 town by population spend "working with" with the Governor?
DubiousPusher 6y ago
Local issues still fall pray to this. - law enforcement - public transit - property taxes - building permits (i.e. regulation) - zoning - public employee pay/benefits All redound to these basic beliefs and have the added problem of affecting people personally too.

tayo42 6y ago

Idk, I feel like that's just conceding on the topic. The modern conservative is just a party of no. I want to do something, they say no. I move on to something else? That's just losing.

xapata 6y ago
No, it's not losing, it's prioritizing.

xapata 6y ago

> something changed It's worth considering what changed. Demographics changed, but we've always had some kind of mixed cultures and ethnicities. The history of it has been an expansion of who gets to be the "majority". Like Rome redefining who is a citizen. Maybe it's broadcast media, but there's been national publications since the founding of the US. Looking back to Antiquity, our situation doesn't seem so abnormal. I think it's just the ebb and flow of how groups of people interact with each other.

DubiousPusher 6y ago
It's amazing how old our problems are. By that I mean how much they come up throughout history. - Who counts as a citizen - Who has the land - Who gets welfare/benefits - Who is anathema - Who mediates power (bureaucrats? nobility? monarch? people?) It's like a laundry list of issues that bagged ancient Rome, enlightenment France and late Tsarist Russia. EDIT: It blew my mind when I actually started to read up on the French Revolution and found that besides what to do with the Monarchy, the issue that really divided them was Universal Manhood Suffrage. For years I had been fed the vague notion that some quasi-social-utopian issues were at the heart of it. But they really just couldn't agree on whether all men should be allowed to vote.
- eldavido 6y ago
  "Don't study liberal arts. It's a huge waste of time."
  - mistermann 6y ago
    "And especially not philosophy or psychology - only losers who can't cut it in STEM take those courses". - Me, not all that many years ago

evan_ 6y ago

how much time does the mayor of a state's #4 town by population spend "working with" with the Governor?

DubiousPusher 6y ago

Local issues still fall pray to this. - law enforcement - public transit - property taxes - building permits (i.e. regulation) - zoning - public employee pay/benefits All redound to these basic beliefs and have the added problem of affecting people personally too.