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Jobs was right ... personal cloud storage is a feature not a product. Onedrive 1TB family tier works well.

kevincox 6y ago
I think it is a product. The problem with our economy is that companies "need" to keep growing. What if Dropbox implemented sync and said "great, we are done". The don't need to keep growing their staff, and they don't need to keep adding big new features. The can add features that make sense, refine the UX and maybe do a bit of optimization with a tiny team.
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  This works if you don't take VC investment (from funds which want their stake to moon) and instead bootstrap (or obtain investment from an aligned stakeholder [1]) and maintain a controlling interest in the company. Examples: Backblaze [2] and Basecamp [1] Anyone can shoot to be a unicorn [3]. Takes something else to be comfortable with a daily grind (but a grind you enjoy), reliably yet without much fanfare meeting your customers' (mostly static) need. [1] https://m.signalvnoise.com/the-deal-jeff-bezos-got-on-basecamp/ https://m.signalvnoise.com/the-deal-jeff-bezos-got-on-baseca... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15074289 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15074289 (/u/brianwski, Backblaze cofounder: "Finally, Backblaze is profoundly different than CrashPlan in that we never really raised any bank financing or VC financing. We're 90% employee owned, and there are no deep pockets. CrashPlan raised something like $150 million which comes with "pressure to grow fast or die". Backblaze is free of any such pressure, we own our own fate.") [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzAdXyPYKQo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzAdXyPYKQo (nsfw language)
  - anuila 6y ago
    I don't see the problem with building new products, Google was just search in the beginning. The problem arises when you screw your original product by tacking everything else onto it. What if Google turned into Yahoo.com? Google’s core product is still essentially unchanged since its inception, for the most part, except for ads.
    - jasonmp85 6y ago
      Uh that’s a REALLY bad example, given how much Google indeed HAS tacked everything else onto their core product. How many ads do you have to scroll past for the first real result? Are you certain the results are good, or are they skewed by some weirdness in your login, since they track all your searches now, to “personalize” (target) results (ads)? Google’s core product was a text box into which you could type anything and get something useful in the first few results. That product no longer exists.
      - anuila 6y ago
        It still exists for me. There’s no comparable search engine at the moment, it’s still the best at what it does and the format hasn’t changed (except for ads, as I mentioned) It’s still the same old list of links that has been enhanced to highlight the first result or the most recent news. Over 20 years that’s merely evolution. Dropbox turned from invisible into its own app separate from the OS. Don’t you see how, comparatively, Google Search hasn’t changed?
        JaggerJo 6y ago
        give duckduckgo a shot for say one week. I just don’t trust the results google returns. Sometimes I still !g something but rarely get a better matching result.
        anuila 6y ago
        I did and it's never good enough for me. I just re-did my last non-trivial search on ddg and none of the first page results were useful.
    - tibbydudeza 6y ago
      Yep like Google Plus and Google Video.
- schappim 6y ago
  Companies neglecting their orignial product line is not a recent phenomenon. Wrigley's started selling soap, and gifted baking powder with their orders. Their baking soda was more popular than their soap, so they sold baking powder and gifted gum...
- clusterfish 6y ago
  Aside from the VC angle, without constant growth your product will likely end up failing to compete with some monopolist vertically integrating or diversifying into your market.

I think it is a product. The problem with our economy is that companies "need" to keep growing. What if Dropbox implemented sync and said "great, we are done". The don't need to keep growing their staff, and they don't need to keep adding big new features. The can add features that make sense, refine the UX and maybe do a bit of optimization with a tiny team.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
This works if you don't take VC investment (from funds which want their stake to moon) and instead bootstrap (or obtain investment from an aligned stakeholder [1]) and maintain a controlling interest in the company. Examples: Backblaze [2] and Basecamp [1] Anyone can shoot to be a unicorn [3]. Takes something else to be comfortable with a daily grind (but a grind you enjoy), reliably yet without much fanfare meeting your customers' (mostly static) need. [1] https://m.signalvnoise.com/the-deal-jeff-bezos-got-on-basecamp/ https://m.signalvnoise.com/the-deal-jeff-bezos-got-on-baseca... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15074289 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15074289 (/u/brianwski, Backblaze cofounder: "Finally, Backblaze is profoundly different than CrashPlan in that we never really raised any bank financing or VC financing. We're 90% employee owned, and there are no deep pockets. CrashPlan raised something like $150 million which comes with "pressure to grow fast or die". Backblaze is free of any such pressure, we own our own fate.") [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzAdXyPYKQo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzAdXyPYKQo (nsfw language)
- anuila 6y ago
  I don't see the problem with building new products, Google was just search in the beginning. The problem arises when you screw your original product by tacking everything else onto it. What if Google turned into Yahoo.com? Google’s core product is still essentially unchanged since its inception, for the most part, except for ads.
  - jasonmp85 6y ago
    Uh that’s a REALLY bad example, given how much Google indeed HAS tacked everything else onto their core product. How many ads do you have to scroll past for the first real result? Are you certain the results are good, or are they skewed by some weirdness in your login, since they track all your searches now, to “personalize” (target) results (ads)? Google’s core product was a text box into which you could type anything and get something useful in the first few results. That product no longer exists.
    - anuila 6y ago
      It still exists for me. There’s no comparable search engine at the moment, it’s still the best at what it does and the format hasn’t changed (except for ads, as I mentioned) It’s still the same old list of links that has been enhanced to highlight the first result or the most recent news. Over 20 years that’s merely evolution. Dropbox turned from invisible into its own app separate from the OS. Don’t you see how, comparatively, Google Search hasn’t changed?
      - JaggerJo 6y ago
        give duckduckgo a shot for say one week. I just don’t trust the results google returns. Sometimes I still !g something but rarely get a better matching result.
        anuila 6y ago
        I did and it's never good enough for me. I just re-did my last non-trivial search on ddg and none of the first page results were useful.
  - tibbydudeza 6y ago
    Yep like Google Plus and Google Video.
schappim 6y ago
Companies neglecting their orignial product line is not a recent phenomenon. Wrigley's started selling soap, and gifted baking powder with their orders. Their baking soda was more popular than their soap, so they sold baking powder and gifted gum...
clusterfish 6y ago
Aside from the VC angle, without constant growth your product will likely end up failing to compete with some monopolist vertically integrating or diversifying into your market.