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I don't want to sound like a conspiracy nut but... are we sure the votes are counted the right way? With all the electronic voting devices, what guarantees and

by esarbe 6y ago

I don't want to sound like a conspiracy nut but... are we sure the votes are counted the right way? With all the electronic voting devices, what guarantees and checks are in place to assert that a vote cast for Trump is not counted towards Biden (or vise versa)? Does anyone know?

glial 6y ago
Asking that question isn’t conspiracy theorizing, it’s just due diligence. Like currency, elections live or die by peoples faith in them. It’s really, really important that everybody believes the outcome.
zapita 6y ago
The short answer is: nobody knows. The situation is very bleak for election security right now. It’s become a partisan issue which makes it even worse. A few resources: https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/12/17/how-new-voting-machines-could-hack-our-democracy/ https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/12/17/how-new-voting-mach... https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/03/19/permission-to-cheat-audits-cant-detect-fake-votes-on-new-hybrid-voting-machines/ https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/03/19/permission-to-cheat-audits... https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/01/11/georgia-poised-to-pick-vulnerable-barcode-voting-technology/ https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/01/11/georgia-poised-to-pick-vul... https://demwritepress.com/2018/11/04/democrats-must-be-prepared-to-contest-poll-defying-election-results/ https://demwritepress.com/2018/11/04/democrats-must-be-prepa...
trumpwillwin 6y ago
https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/jo0sj4/dozens_of_documented_examples_of_election/ https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/jo0sj4/dozens_o... Rampant fraud.
justinlink 6y ago
I'm sure there are mistakes and errors during any election. In the end it probably ends up being a non-factor. While wondering about the election results validity is a valid and good question, if you are suggesting maybe the polls are correct but the voting results are wrong, I find that nearly impossible. There are so many ways a pollster could go wrong. Sample Size, Push Polling, Shy Voters, Poor Question, Poorly Trained Survey Collectors, and on and on. With voting it's basically did we count it right.
pacamara619 6y ago
AFAIK in Pennsylvania they have a paper trail for all electronic votes, so essentially, they bought a pencil.
zug_zug 6y ago
Well, for any sinlge vote, I guess it could be miscounted. I guess the thinking is that if an election is within .5% there can be a recount. And then each polling station (county?) provides numbers separately, so to push the vote a huge amount you'd need multiple polling stations to lie to move the vote more than .5% (as I understand it, not an expert). That said, I'd love if the full process was disclosed somewhere for public scrutiny. There should be numerous safeguards (e.g. two random people counting the same stack of ballots) in a good system.

by esarbe 6y ago

glial 6y ago

Asking that question isn’t conspiracy theorizing, it’s just due diligence. Like currency, elections live or die by peoples faith in them. It’s really, really important that everybody believes the outcome.

zapita 6y ago

The short answer is: nobody knows. The situation is very bleak for election security right now. It’s become a partisan issue which makes it even worse. A few resources: https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/12/17/how-new-voting-machines-could-hack-our-democracy/ https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/12/17/how-new-voting-mach... https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/03/19/permission-to-cheat-audits-cant-detect-fake-votes-on-new-hybrid-voting-machines/ https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/03/19/permission-to-cheat-audits... https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/01/11/georgia-poised-to-pick-vulnerable-barcode-voting-technology/ https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/01/11/georgia-poised-to-pick-vul... https://demwritepress.com/2018/11/04/democrats-must-be-prepared-to-contest-poll-defying-election-results/ https://demwritepress.com/2018/11/04/democrats-must-be-prepa...

trumpwillwin 6y ago

https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/jo0sj4/dozens_of_documented_examples_of_election/ https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/jo0sj4/dozens_o... Rampant fraud.

justinlink 6y ago

I'm sure there are mistakes and errors during any election. In the end it probably ends up being a non-factor. While wondering about the election results validity is a valid and good question, if you are suggesting maybe the polls are correct but the voting results are wrong, I find that nearly impossible. There are so many ways a pollster could go wrong. Sample Size, Push Polling, Shy Voters, Poor Question, Poorly Trained Survey Collectors, and on and on. With voting it's basically did we count it right.

pacamara619 6y ago

AFAIK in Pennsylvania they have a paper trail for all electronic votes, so essentially, they bought a pencil.

zug_zug 6y ago

Well, for any sinlge vote, I guess it could be miscounted. I guess the thinking is that if an election is within .5% there can be a recount. And then each polling station (county?) provides numbers separately, so to push the vote a huge amount you'd need multiple polling stations to lie to move the vote more than .5% (as I understand it, not an expert). That said, I'd love if the full process was disclosed somewhere for public scrutiny. There should be numerous safeguards (e.g. two random people counting the same stack of ballots) in a good system.