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I want every vote counted, but if I understand this correctly there were only 300,000 votes that weren't counted, nationwide. If that's all, it's very unlikely

I want every vote counted, but if I understand this correctly there were only 300,000 votes that weren't counted, nationwide. If that's all, it's very unlikely to change anything. Am I missing anything?

mytailorisrich 6y ago
The way the American electoral system works, "300,000 votes uncounted nationwide" does not mean much as individual states essentially fall one side or the other as a whole. So if those votes are in fact concentrated in a single state (worst case) it can make a real difference. For example, let's remember that in 2000 Gore got 500k more votes than Bush and still lost because of the way individual states fell. At the extreme, a single vote difference in California can be worth 10% of the Electoral College...
- auslegung 6y ago
  I'm guessing you didn't actually read the link? Those votes are not concentrated in a single state, it's nationwide. 1/3 of them come from Hawaii and California which were decided for Biden by millions of votes, not thousands. 27,000 of them come from the Northeast, all of which were won by Biden enough that those votes won't make a difference. 22,000 are from Arizona which was won by Biden by around 100,000 votes, so again not going to make a difference. That's over 1/2 of the votes that, if they get counted, won't change anything.
gostsamo 6y ago
Check the year 2000 election. A few hundred votes in Florida decided the vote for Bush.
- auslegung 6y ago
  Yes, but that doesn't seem to be what's happening here. Trump won Florida by over 300,000 votes, Texas by over 600,000, and every other state he's won so far has been decided by a much larger margin percentage-wise. Biden won Arizona by about 100,000 votes, Colorado by 400,000, Minnesota by 150,000, Maine by 50,000, etc etc. So we see that these 300,000 votes don't mean much when 99,000 of them came from California and Hawaii, states that were decidedly won by Biden by millions of votes. Perhaps these uncounted votes would make a difference in Georgia and Michigan, but it's too early to tell. Again I'm not saying this is OK. I have to believe that Trump's attempts at voter suppression have resulted in this kind of thing, and if any intent can be proved then people should be put in prison. But to me, a lot of these votes wouldn't have made a difference one way or another.
  - gostsamo 6y ago
    You have a few states that are currently with really small difference. However, as someone whose vote disappeared after an election a few years ago, the feeling is unpleasant and you start doubting the entire system.
    - auslegung 6y ago
      There are a lot of states with a very small margin of victory for one candidate or the other, but most of these uncounted votes are not relevant there. The data is there, go look at it. 99,000 votes are from California and Hawaii, if all those votes went for either candidate it would have made no difference. 27,000 of them come from the Northeast, all of which were won by Biden enough that those votes won't make a difference. 22,000 are from Arizona which was won by Biden by around 100,000 votes, so again not going to make a difference. 23,000 come from mostly Gulf States and none of those would have swayed a state one way or the other. 30,000 from Salt Lake City, but Utah was decided by over 200,000 votes so no difference there. This quick overview covers roughly 200,000 of the almost 300,000 uncounted votes. So now we're talking about 100,000 uncounted votes. I don't care to do any further comparison, but there are some uncounted votes for as-yet-undecided states like Georgia, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, and those may matter a lot. But it looks to me like none of the states that have been decided would be effected by these uncounted votes, one way or the other. Again to reiterate for people who are down-voting me, I want all these votes counted, I want my vote counted, this is not the way to do democracy. But the numbers indicate _most_ of these votes would not sway a state one way or the other, so concluding from these numbers alone that a vote has been stolen is unfounded, so far.

mytailorisrich 6y ago

The way the American electoral system works, "300,000 votes uncounted nationwide" does not mean much as individual states essentially fall one side or the other as a whole. So if those votes are in fact concentrated in a single state (worst case) it can make a real difference. For example, let's remember that in 2000 Gore got 500k more votes than Bush and still lost because of the way individual states fell. At the extreme, a single vote difference in California can be worth 10% of the Electoral College...

auslegung 6y ago
I'm guessing you didn't actually read the link? Those votes are not concentrated in a single state, it's nationwide. 1/3 of them come from Hawaii and California which were decided for Biden by millions of votes, not thousands. 27,000 of them come from the Northeast, all of which were won by Biden enough that those votes won't make a difference. 22,000 are from Arizona which was won by Biden by around 100,000 votes, so again not going to make a difference. That's over 1/2 of the votes that, if they get counted, won't change anything.

gostsamo 6y ago

Check the year 2000 election. A few hundred votes in Florida decided the vote for Bush.

auslegung 6y ago
Yes, but that doesn't seem to be what's happening here. Trump won Florida by over 300,000 votes, Texas by over 600,000, and every other state he's won so far has been decided by a much larger margin percentage-wise. Biden won Arizona by about 100,000 votes, Colorado by 400,000, Minnesota by 150,000, Maine by 50,000, etc etc. So we see that these 300,000 votes don't mean much when 99,000 of them came from California and Hawaii, states that were decidedly won by Biden by millions of votes. Perhaps these uncounted votes would make a difference in Georgia and Michigan, but it's too early to tell. Again I'm not saying this is OK. I have to believe that Trump's attempts at voter suppression have resulted in this kind of thing, and if any intent can be proved then people should be put in prison. But to me, a lot of these votes wouldn't have made a difference one way or another.
- gostsamo 6y ago
  You have a few states that are currently with really small difference. However, as someone whose vote disappeared after an election a few years ago, the feeling is unpleasant and you start doubting the entire system.
  - auslegung 6y ago
    There are a lot of states with a very small margin of victory for one candidate or the other, but most of these uncounted votes are not relevant there. The data is there, go look at it. 99,000 votes are from California and Hawaii, if all those votes went for either candidate it would have made no difference. 27,000 of them come from the Northeast, all of which were won by Biden enough that those votes won't make a difference. 22,000 are from Arizona which was won by Biden by around 100,000 votes, so again not going to make a difference. 23,000 come from mostly Gulf States and none of those would have swayed a state one way or the other. 30,000 from Salt Lake City, but Utah was decided by over 200,000 votes so no difference there. This quick overview covers roughly 200,000 of the almost 300,000 uncounted votes. So now we're talking about 100,000 uncounted votes. I don't care to do any further comparison, but there are some uncounted votes for as-yet-undecided states like Georgia, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, and those may matter a lot. But it looks to me like none of the states that have been decided would be effected by these uncounted votes, one way or the other. Again to reiterate for people who are down-voting me, I want all these votes counted, I want my vote counted, this is not the way to do democracy. But the numbers indicate _most_ of these votes would not sway a state one way or the other, so concluding from these numbers alone that a vote has been stolen is unfounded, so far.