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Ah, the myth of American freedom: with no health insurance, no maternity leave to speak of, no safety nets, no guarantees in the form of liveable minimum wages.

Ah, the myth of American freedom: with no health insurance, no maternity leave to speak of, no safety nets, no guarantees in the form of liveable minimum wages...

apta 6y ago
Fix the underlying problem then instead of going after private companies.
- dmitriid 6y ago
  How do you imagine fixing, for example, minimum wage without "going after private companies"?
  - apta 6y ago
    They will be providing more than minimum wage as per prop22. The real issue is that the state should provide health insurance.
    - dmitriid 6y ago
      There are significantly more issues than health insurance. Let me quote myself: > with no health insurance, no maternity leave to speak of, no safety nets, no guarantees in the form of liveable minimum wages... Many of those are "going after private companies".
nickpp 6y ago
That "myth" is what America was built on and what made it great. Yes, it's called FREEDOM, comes with no guarantees and includes your freedom to disagree with it. If you desire safety above freedom, you deserve neither - (loosely) said somebody much smarter than me. I've lived without that freedom and it was horrifying. I would never go back. I understand not everybody prefers it so that's why I am happy you have the choice to be an employee, but please do not deny me the choice to not be.
- dmitriid 6y ago
  > That "myth" is what America was built on and what made it great. Ah yes. How can one forget about the great freedom of slavery, exploitation of the Chinese, back breaking labor of miners etc. etc. > If you desire safety above freedom, you deserve neither - (loosely) said somebody much smarter than me. That quote was in no shape, way or form about healthcare or maternity leave > I've lived without that freedom and it was horrifying. You've lived... without which freedom exactly?
  - nickpp 6y ago
    Are you really comparing America of 1800s to the Western European states of today?! I lived without ANY freedoms. Taken away by the (communist) government in exchange for the promise of safety, wages and lots and lots of benefits. Of course, we got neither.
    - dmitriid 6y ago
      > Are you really comparing America of 1800s to the Western European states of today?! I am really replying to the statement that you made: "That "myth" is what America was built on and what made it great. " > I lived without ANY freedoms. Taken away by the (communist) government Ah yes, because there are exactly two possible modes of living in this world: communism and corporate cronyism called FREEDOM in the US. Meanwhile there are charity orgnizations that used to go to the poorest regions in Africa to provide free healthcare. And then they stopped doing that and started doing that in the US. Because FREEDOM.
      - nickpp 6y ago
        And still people actually living in Africa don’t know how to escape faster to Europe or, yes, even USA. Because, you know, freedom. Maybe you should tell them how awful it really is and how much better they had it before.
        dmitriid 6y ago

Ah, the myth of American freedom: with no health insurance, no maternity leave to speak of, no safety nets, no guarantees in the form of liveable minimum wages...

apta 6y ago

Fix the underlying problem then instead of going after private companies.

dmitriid 6y ago
How do you imagine fixing, for example, minimum wage without "going after private companies"?
- apta 6y ago
  They will be providing more than minimum wage as per prop22. The real issue is that the state should provide health insurance.
  - dmitriid 6y ago
    There are significantly more issues than health insurance. Let me quote myself: > with no health insurance, no maternity leave to speak of, no safety nets, no guarantees in the form of liveable minimum wages... Many of those are "going after private companies".

nickpp 6y ago

That "myth" is what America was built on and what made it great. Yes, it's called FREEDOM, comes with no guarantees and includes your freedom to disagree with it. If you desire safety above freedom, you deserve neither - (loosely) said somebody much smarter than me. I've lived without that freedom and it was horrifying. I would never go back. I understand not everybody prefers it so that's why I am happy you have the choice to be an employee, but please do not deny me the choice to not be.

dmitriid 6y ago
> That "myth" is what America was built on and what made it great. Ah yes. How can one forget about the great freedom of slavery, exploitation of the Chinese, back breaking labor of miners etc. etc. > If you desire safety above freedom, you deserve neither - (loosely) said somebody much smarter than me. That quote was in no shape, way or form about healthcare or maternity leave > I've lived without that freedom and it was horrifying. You've lived... without which freedom exactly?
- nickpp 6y ago
  Are you really comparing America of 1800s to the Western European states of today?! I lived without ANY freedoms. Taken away by the (communist) government in exchange for the promise of safety, wages and lots and lots of benefits. Of course, we got neither.
  - dmitriid 6y ago
    > Are you really comparing America of 1800s to the Western European states of today?! I am really replying to the statement that you made: "That "myth" is what America was built on and what made it great. " > I lived without ANY freedoms. Taken away by the (communist) government Ah yes, because there are exactly two possible modes of living in this world: communism and corporate cronyism called FREEDOM in the US. Meanwhile there are charity orgnizations that used to go to the poorest regions in Africa to provide free healthcare. And then they stopped doing that and started doing that in the US. Because FREEDOM.
    - nickpp 6y ago
      And still people actually living in Africa don’t know how to escape faster to Europe or, yes, even USA. Because, you know, freedom. Maybe you should tell them how awful it really is and how much better they had it before.
      - dmitriid 6y ago