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Can you point to a specific instance of a liberal state suppressing free speech?

nullifidian 6y ago
https://observer.com/2019/05/kamala-harris-wants-to-ban-social-media-hate-speech-if-shes-elected-president/ https://observer.com/2019/05/kamala-harris-wants-to-ban-soci...
- theplague42 6y ago
  Last time I checked, Kamala Harris is neither a state nor President right now.
  - flyingfences 6y ago
    Right, she was just in charge of bringing a state's cases against people and is likely about to become second in line for the Presidency.
  - nullifidian 6y ago
    Both states and Kamala can't limit speech due to the current SCOTUS absolutist consensus on the first amendment, but that doesn't mean they don't want to. If we are to judge from colleges' foray into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_code in the 90s, the entirety of FIRE jurisprudence in the last 2 decades, and FAANG workforces demanding more censorship, colleges being a pretty close approximation of liberal views on the freedom of speech, especially future views, the moment SCOTUS lifts its absolutism, there will be numerous regulations of speech in liberal jurisdictions, and then federally.
giantg2 6y ago
I believe several liberal states have passed laws restricting the distribution of information related to firearms, specifically 3D printing designs. Less state related, but still state tolerated... there have been schools that fire professors for minor speech related issue (the nega nega nega incident for example). Or restrict some political movements/organizations in schools while allowing others to be promoted (look at differences in (in)tolerance of NRA and BLM).
- giantg2 6y ago
  Why is this downvoted?
  - flyingfences 6y ago
    You see it all the time here. It's the "pragmatic urbanite" mindset on firearms: you're not supposed to support heavy-handed bans, but you're _absolutely_ not supposed to suggest that otherwise-favored politicians are trying to enact heavy-handed bans, even when they've already done it and when they brag about it as part of their campaigns.

https://observer.com/2019/05/kamala-harris-wants-to-ban-social-media-hate-speech-if-shes-elected-president/ https://observer.com/2019/05/kamala-harris-wants-to-ban-soci...

theplague42 6y ago
Last time I checked, Kamala Harris is neither a state nor President right now.
- flyingfences 6y ago
  Right, she was just in charge of bringing a state's cases against people and is likely about to become second in line for the Presidency.
- nullifidian 6y ago
  Both states and Kamala can't limit speech due to the current SCOTUS absolutist consensus on the first amendment, but that doesn't mean they don't want to. If we are to judge from colleges' foray into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_code in the 90s, the entirety of FIRE jurisprudence in the last 2 decades, and FAANG workforces demanding more censorship, colleges being a pretty close approximation of liberal views on the freedom of speech, especially future views, the moment SCOTUS lifts its absolutism, there will be numerous regulations of speech in liberal jurisdictions, and then federally.

giantg2 6y ago

I believe several liberal states have passed laws restricting the distribution of information related to firearms, specifically 3D printing designs. Less state related, but still state tolerated... there have been schools that fire professors for minor speech related issue (the nega nega nega incident for example). Or restrict some political movements/organizations in schools while allowing others to be promoted (look at differences in (in)tolerance of NRA and BLM).

giantg2 6y ago
Why is this downvoted?
- flyingfences 6y ago
  You see it all the time here. It's the "pragmatic urbanite" mindset on firearms: you're not supposed to support heavy-handed bans, but you're _absolutely_ not supposed to suggest that otherwise-favored politicians are trying to enact heavy-handed bans, even when they've already done it and when they brag about it as part of their campaigns.