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"because employers like to force their employees into certain ecosystems" In some paradise of the supremely competent users, an employer could leave it to the

by cafard 6y ago

"because employers like to force their employees into certain ecosystems" In some paradise of the supremely competent users, an employer could leave it to the staff to choose Libre Office, Microsoft Office, Google Apps, who knows, maybe Word Perfect Office from twenty years ago, and to exchange documents in some common format. In the real world, good luck.

pc86 6y ago
Unfortunately we're still at this point where someone doesn't know how to do something on a computer and it's their employer's/coworkers' responsibility to teach them. Instead of "I can't figure out how to do this thing for my job, I better figure it out so I don't get canned!" it's "How am I supposed to know how to do $BASIC_THING, I'm not a 'computer person'" Until we start pushing basic search/investigative requirements onto "non-technical" users it's not going to get any better.
forinti 6y ago
Actually, my experience is that users get Windows because they argue that it is the only thing they know how to use and they don't really know how to use it beyond the trivial.
harha 6y ago
In an ideal world, we'd have one standard of markdown, along with a few simple and fast editor that directly renders it nicely without all the other features. In the real world, it starts with computer classes at my school started out with teaching us how to mail merge so we could get some Microsoft certificate employers allegedly wanted (and this wasn't some trade school for office managers, it was the highest category of school in my country). Nowadays kids apparently have some other proprietary learning programs on iPads and call that digitalization – they should rather be taught to differentiate between the tools and the knowledge they are trying to gain using those (the better students obviously will figure out themselves, though some might be discouraged by diving deeper into technical topics, but the teachers should get better training). And most work places teach you not to think too much, if they hand you Google Docs, it's not really worth the fight to change anything, when there are greater issues like levels, bonuses and the next unnecessary layer of hierarchy being added with every reorg.

by cafard 6y ago

pc86 6y ago

Unfortunately we're still at this point where someone doesn't know how to do something on a computer and it's their employer's/coworkers' responsibility to teach them. Instead of "I can't figure out how to do this thing for my job, I better figure it out so I don't get canned!" it's "How am I supposed to know how to do $BASIC_THING, I'm not a 'computer person'" Until we start pushing basic search/investigative requirements onto "non-technical" users it's not going to get any better.

forinti 6y ago

Actually, my experience is that users get Windows because they argue that it is the only thing they know how to use and they don't really know how to use it beyond the trivial.

harha 6y ago

In an ideal world, we'd have one standard of markdown, along with a few simple and fast editor that directly renders it nicely without all the other features. In the real world, it starts with computer classes at my school started out with teaching us how to mail merge so we could get some Microsoft certificate employers allegedly wanted (and this wasn't some trade school for office managers, it was the highest category of school in my country). Nowadays kids apparently have some other proprietary learning programs on iPads and call that digitalization – they should rather be taught to differentiate between the tools and the knowledge they are trying to gain using those (the better students obviously will figure out themselves, though some might be discouraged by diving deeper into technical topics, but the teachers should get better training). And most work places teach you not to think too much, if they hand you Google Docs, it's not really worth the fight to change anything, when there are greater issues like levels, bonuses and the next unnecessary layer of hierarchy being added with every reorg.