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The optimal strategy to combat Global Warming is to bring manufacturing back to the EU and US and regulate emissions strongly. Agreed. It is possible to simult

The optimal strategy to combat Global Warming is to bring manufacturing back to the EU and US and regulate emissions strongly. Agreed. It is possible to simultaneously believe "we need to cut emissions" and "the Paris accord is a bad way to do it". But it seems many people think Paris is the only way to do it.

freeflight 6y ago
> But it seems many people think Paris is the only way to do it. The issue is rather that nobody really brings up any valid alternatives when they disagree with Paris. Saying "bring manufacturing back" is not an valid alternative, it's wishful thinking that ignores how this current situation came about, while offering zero actual actionable advise how to reverse that development and fix the problem itself. Manufacturing went to China because of laxer regulations there making it more cost-effective, how are you gonna convince it to come back to the US and EU with even harsher regulations?
- goatinaboat 6y ago
  Manufacturing went to China because of laxer regulations there making it more cost-effective, how are you gonna convince it to come back to the US and EU with even harsher regulations? Easy. Tariffs on Chinese imports so its cheaper to manufacture cleanly back home.
  - freeflight 6y ago
    > Tariffs on Chinese imports If that works at all, it only works in disincentivizing manufacturing in China. That doesn't bring manufacturing "back home", it only brings it to other countries similar or even lower in standards as China, are you gonna tariff those too?
    - goatinaboat 6y ago
      are you gonna tariff those too? Err, yes, obviously. There aren't an infinite number of countries in the world. You could quite comfortably track all the countries that do and do not comply with Western environmental laws in Excel. Or declare a free trade area the conditions of entry to which are compliance. This is a very very easy problem to solve... once we wean ourselves off the cheap tat China produces.
      - freeflight 6y ago
        > Err, yes, obviously. It's not really that obvious because an escalating global trade-war is rarely good for anybody, and tariffs only end up costing the consumers. That's also why even after years of Trump tariffs on China, and all kinds of other countries, there was still no major shift of manufacturing back to the US. > This is a very very easy problem to solve... once we wean ourselves off the cheap tat China produces That "cheap tat" is by now a globally unique industry [0] that took decades to be built, by a government that can centrally plan in the decades. You can't just replace something like that from one day to another, and it most certainly wouldn't be easy. [0] https://youtu.be/hp6F_ApUq-c https://youtu.be/hp6F_ApUq-c

freeflight 6y ago

> But it seems many people think Paris is the only way to do it. The issue is rather that nobody really brings up any valid alternatives when they disagree with Paris. Saying "bring manufacturing back" is not an valid alternative, it's wishful thinking that ignores how this current situation came about, while offering zero actual actionable advise how to reverse that development and fix the problem itself. Manufacturing went to China because of laxer regulations there making it more cost-effective, how are you gonna convince it to come back to the US and EU with even harsher regulations?

goatinaboat 6y ago
Manufacturing went to China because of laxer regulations there making it more cost-effective, how are you gonna convince it to come back to the US and EU with even harsher regulations? Easy. Tariffs on Chinese imports so its cheaper to manufacture cleanly back home.
- freeflight 6y ago
  > Tariffs on Chinese imports If that works at all, it only works in disincentivizing manufacturing in China. That doesn't bring manufacturing "back home", it only brings it to other countries similar or even lower in standards as China, are you gonna tariff those too?
  - goatinaboat 6y ago
    are you gonna tariff those too? Err, yes, obviously. There aren't an infinite number of countries in the world. You could quite comfortably track all the countries that do and do not comply with Western environmental laws in Excel. Or declare a free trade area the conditions of entry to which are compliance. This is a very very easy problem to solve... once we wean ourselves off the cheap tat China produces.
    - freeflight 6y ago
      > Err, yes, obviously. It's not really that obvious because an escalating global trade-war is rarely good for anybody, and tariffs only end up costing the consumers. That's also why even after years of Trump tariffs on China, and all kinds of other countries, there was still no major shift of manufacturing back to the US. > This is a very very easy problem to solve... once we wean ourselves off the cheap tat China produces That "cheap tat" is by now a globally unique industry [0] that took decades to be built, by a government that can centrally plan in the decades. You can't just replace something like that from one day to another, and it most certainly wouldn't be easy. [0] https://youtu.be/hp6F_ApUq-c https://youtu.be/hp6F_ApUq-c