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In my experience, it's that people without experience with security researchers tend to think of security issues as having been fundamentally been created by th
by zemnmez 6y ago
In my experience, it's that people without experience with security researchers tend to think of security issues as having been fundamentally been created by the researchers themselves, rather than already existing in the system.
If you have no idea how someone finds such things, your first read is that the researcher has created the problem by finding it when it could have just never been found by anyone instead. It's cliché, but portrayal of hackers in films always implies that they could get into anything, with reasoning in a similar vein to if I knew all about windows and used that knowledge to smash the window of someone's house, then claimed it was a flaw I could get in that'd be on me.
Then, there is the problem of communication. An external person discovering such a flaw is already going out of their way to do something for the maker of the software, and I find that those being communicated with often find this interaction grating.
I think the psychology is complicated but it's somewhere between alarm that such a flaw was found, fear that the finding of such a flaw is a reflection on you, or your engineering team that will harm you and that researcher, unpaid and not expecting anything isn't there to hold their hand and reassure / explain such things. As a researcher, I want to spend the minimum time on this.
The only thing I'll insist on is that it gets fixed in time, and if this draws out for months I eventually get in a position where I have to make threats of disclosure or nothing will get done.
- landemva 6y ago"I eventually get in a position where I have to make threats of disclosure or nothing will get done." If they want you to pen test their systems they will hire you. It's not your job. Vote with your feet and walk to a local credit union which may embrace your help (talk to them before starting your pen tests).
- nlh 6y agoI think you got this exactly right. The reaction of an uneducated manager here was probably “Wow this guy hacked our system by doing things he wasn’t supposed to do. You’re not allowed to transfer between cards. He broke the rules.” It’s not unlike the logic that says “We left our front door unlocked and someone walked in. How dare they.”