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Without China (which is a part of the accord, but doesn't have to cut its emissions until 2030, a loophole they're actively using to build insane numbers of coa

by m0zg 6y ago

Without China (which is a part of the accord, but doesn't have to cut its emissions until 2030, a loophole they're actively using to build insane numbers of coal power plants - whatever their CO2 emissions are in 2030 becomes their "baseline" from which to reduce) this was pretty pointless anyway. Whoever negotiated PCA should not be allowed to negotiate whatever comes after it, because they suck at negotiations. https://www.wired.com/story/china-is-still-building-an-insane-number-of-new-coal-plants/ https://www.wired.com/story/china-is-still-building-an-insan...

bamboozled 6y ago
Why do people want to believe so strongly that China is working so hard to destroy everything they’ve worked so hard to achieve. Maybe they actually do want to reduce pollution ? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I don’t know if “Wired” would know the full story either. China a pretty difficult place to get information in and out of ?
- m0zg 6y ago
  You don't build coal fired power plants if your goal is to reduce pollution.
  - trasz 6y ago
    You don’t build 40 nuclear power plants if your goal isn’t to reduce pollution.
    - m0zg 6y ago
      You do. Absent onerous Western regulations nuclear power is economically viable, especially if you don't build a custom design for every plant, and build a lot of them.
    - jacobush 6y ago
      Traditionally you built 40 nuclear power plants if you wanted plutonium for your atomic bombs.
dragonelite 6y ago
Didn't China also said they expect their CO2 emmision to peak in 2022, 8 years before their goal of 2030 from the Paris accord. Then go for carbon neutral in 2060. Src: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-carbon-idUSKCN1VQ1K0 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-carbon-idUSKCN1VQ1K...
- Gwypaas 6y ago
  Wouldn't be surprising considering the per capita has mostly leveled off since 2011 https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/china?country=USA~IND~CHN~NGA~ETH https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/china?country=USA~IND...

by m0zg 6y ago

bamboozled 6y ago

Why do people want to believe so strongly that China is working so hard to destroy everything they’ve worked so hard to achieve. Maybe they actually do want to reduce pollution ? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I don’t know if “Wired” would know the full story either. China a pretty difficult place to get information in and out of ?

m0zg 6y ago
You don't build coal fired power plants if your goal is to reduce pollution.
- trasz 6y ago
  You don’t build 40 nuclear power plants if your goal isn’t to reduce pollution.
  - m0zg 6y ago
    You do. Absent onerous Western regulations nuclear power is economically viable, especially if you don't build a custom design for every plant, and build a lot of them.
  - jacobush 6y ago
    Traditionally you built 40 nuclear power plants if you wanted plutonium for your atomic bombs.

dragonelite 6y ago

Didn't China also said they expect their CO2 emmision to peak in 2022, 8 years before their goal of 2030 from the Paris accord. Then go for carbon neutral in 2060. Src: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-carbon-idUSKCN1VQ1K0 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-carbon-idUSKCN1VQ1K...

Gwypaas 6y ago
Wouldn't be surprising considering the per capita has mostly leveled off since 2011 https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/china?country=USA~IND~CHN~NGA~ETH https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/china?country=USA~IND...