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You mean cheap Ubers of course. I also don't think direct democracy lost here. Most people don't want Uber prices to go up. Democracy always sucks for the mino

You mean cheap Ubers of course. I also don't think direct democracy lost here. Most people don't want Uber prices to go up. Democracy always sucks for the minority / people who don't have voting rights.

LatteLazy 6y ago
Well I certainly like cheap ubers! I'm a brit so luckily for me, a lot of the issues in california don't really apply here (drivers have healthcare because everyone here has healthcare etc). It's unfortunate that we have no direct democracy, but do have good safety nets (at least comparatively). Meanwhile Cali has no such nets but does allow majority rule in this way. I actually also like the Uber model because its honest (between the participants at least) . I hardly ever used taxis before, not just because of the price but also because of the service. "Your car is 10 minutes away" actually meant "your car has to complete 3 other 20min journeys before coming to you". "about £10" meant "£26 after a weird journey and no we don't take credit cards or give change". I imagine the same applied for drivers: people would misbehave in your car because there was no penalty for doing so. Dispatchers favoured other drivers because you were new. The whole thing was a race to the bottom for everyone. Uber with a rating system and an algorithm that minimises waits has fixed that issue. That's their "killer feature" to me. But I can see how people have issues with their model.
mike_d 6y ago
Uber rides are either going to get really cheap, or they are going to go out of business. Waymo doesn't have the labor overhead and will eat their lunch. It is almost cute that we are trying to pass or block protections for a workforce that won't exist in 5 years.
- dboreham 6y ago
  Obligatory note that self driving cars don't actually exist at present.
  - anonuser123456 6y ago
    Are ghosts driving the Waymo fleet in AZ?
  - xiphias2 6y ago
    They exist. They are just not scaled up yet. Scaling is not tricial though, as hardware and real world is involved.
- coldcode 6y ago
  In the long run Uber goes out of business, since it can only be profitable if the drivers are actual slaves and earn nothing. Until of course people perfect AI taxis, then all Uber drivers can get unemployment, oh, wait.
- Cederfjard 6y ago
  That's extremely optimistic regarding the state of self-driving cars in 5 years.
- wil421 6y ago
  I will take your bet. No way full self-driving is coming and no way Waymo will deliver a self-driving taxi in 5 years that will compete with a driver based taxi. I can see Waymo or the like picking gimmicky routes like Las Vegas airport to select hotels/stops or another easy route in an area without rain. I don't mean the self-driving meaning that keeps getting reinvented every couple years to kick the can down the road. I mean the car is driving itself without a driver or remote driver in the majority of circumstances such as a rainstorm.
  - derwiki 6y ago
    Waymo has a ride hailing service in Chandler: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2020/10/08/waymo-restarts-robotaxi-service-without-human-safety-drivers/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2020/10/08/waymo-re... Pretty sure they chose the area because of sunny skies and lack of rain, so if that’s what you consider a gimmicky route that’s fair.
    - wil421 6y ago
      They specifically choose states close to the West Coast because the climates do not have serious weather or rain. Nevada, California, Arizona etc. SF is a weird city compared to other places with hills and odd obstructions so a lot of them moved to Phoenix for testing. From an outsider, the regulatory environment in Arizona appears to be easier for companies that want to do this type of testing as opposed to highly regulated California.
      - mdorazio 6y ago
        You're moving the goal posts. The Chandler Waymo service is entirely driverless and not on a fixed route, with expanded service coming next year and additional cities opening up in 2022-2023. I encourage you to read up on Waymo's progress - it's quite a bit farther along than most people think.

LatteLazy 6y ago

Well I certainly like cheap ubers! I'm a brit so luckily for me, a lot of the issues in california don't really apply here (drivers have healthcare because everyone here has healthcare etc). It's unfortunate that we have no direct democracy, but do have good safety nets (at least comparatively). Meanwhile Cali has no such nets but does allow majority rule in this way. I actually also like the Uber model because its honest (between the participants at least) . I hardly ever used taxis before, not just because of the price but also because of the service. "Your car is 10 minutes away" actually meant "your car has to complete 3 other 20min journeys before coming to you". "about £10" meant "£26 after a weird journey and no we don't take credit cards or give change". I imagine the same applied for drivers: people would misbehave in your car because there was no penalty for doing so. Dispatchers favoured other drivers because you were new. The whole thing was a race to the bottom for everyone. Uber with a rating system and an algorithm that minimises waits has fixed that issue. That's their "killer feature" to me. But I can see how people have issues with their model.

mike_d 6y ago

Uber rides are either going to get really cheap, or they are going to go out of business. Waymo doesn't have the labor overhead and will eat their lunch. It is almost cute that we are trying to pass or block protections for a workforce that won't exist in 5 years.

dboreham 6y ago
Obligatory note that self driving cars don't actually exist at present.
- anonuser123456 6y ago
  Are ghosts driving the Waymo fleet in AZ?
- xiphias2 6y ago
  They exist. They are just not scaled up yet. Scaling is not tricial though, as hardware and real world is involved.
coldcode 6y ago
In the long run Uber goes out of business, since it can only be profitable if the drivers are actual slaves and earn nothing. Until of course people perfect AI taxis, then all Uber drivers can get unemployment, oh, wait.
Cederfjard 6y ago
That's extremely optimistic regarding the state of self-driving cars in 5 years.
wil421 6y ago
I will take your bet. No way full self-driving is coming and no way Waymo will deliver a self-driving taxi in 5 years that will compete with a driver based taxi. I can see Waymo or the like picking gimmicky routes like Las Vegas airport to select hotels/stops or another easy route in an area without rain. I don't mean the self-driving meaning that keeps getting reinvented every couple years to kick the can down the road. I mean the car is driving itself without a driver or remote driver in the majority of circumstances such as a rainstorm.
- derwiki 6y ago
  Waymo has a ride hailing service in Chandler: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2020/10/08/waymo-restarts-robotaxi-service-without-human-safety-drivers/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2020/10/08/waymo-re... Pretty sure they chose the area because of sunny skies and lack of rain, so if that’s what you consider a gimmicky route that’s fair.
  - wil421 6y ago
    They specifically choose states close to the West Coast because the climates do not have serious weather or rain. Nevada, California, Arizona etc. SF is a weird city compared to other places with hills and odd obstructions so a lot of them moved to Phoenix for testing. From an outsider, the regulatory environment in Arizona appears to be easier for companies that want to do this type of testing as opposed to highly regulated California.
    - mdorazio 6y ago
      You're moving the goal posts. The Chandler Waymo service is entirely driverless and not on a fixed route, with expanded service coming next year and additional cities opening up in 2022-2023. I encourage you to read up on Waymo's progress - it's quite a bit farther along than most people think.