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For context, in Germany displaying a swastika or endorsing Naziism has been illegal (with some exceptions) since around right after WWII. They take their hate

by iaw 6y ago

For context, in Germany displaying a swastika or endorsing Naziism has been illegal (with some exceptions) since around right after WWII. They take their hate speech pretty seriously.

tmalsburg2 6y ago
Displaying a swastika is not illegal in Germany. It's only illegal if you use it for nazi propaganda purposes. Stop spreading misinformation. Relevant quote [1]: "Whoever domestically disseminates or produces ... the contents of which are intended to further the aims of a former National Socialist organization ... shall be punished ..." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a#Symbols_affected https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a#Sy...
- happytoexplain 6y ago
  This is a weirdly hostile attack. I assumed that's what the parent meant, but still, you're right that it's important to remember that things like educational contexts exist.
- leetcrew 6y ago
  to be fair, it seems like this is a recent relaxation of the rules? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45142651 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45142651
  - tmalsburg2 6y ago
    No, the "total ban" mentioned in the BBC article existed only in the context of video games. Displaying the swastika has been allowed for many purposes for quite a while.
- oezi 6y ago
  Sorry but your quote is just not correct. You are mixing sentences from two sections of illegal things. It is illegal to sell swastika stickers in Germany even if you don't engage in any propaganda. You would need to have clear context that critizes the prohibited parties (e.g. swastika thrown into a trash can).
  - tmalsburg2 6y ago
    No, the quote is only shortened a bit for convenience. Please visit the Wikipedia page and check for yourself.
- cblconfederate 6y ago
  Would spreading such misinformation also get you arrested in germany?
varispeed 6y ago
Do you know why promoting Nazi symbols is illegal, but communist symbols (a system that claimed magnitude more lives than Nazism) are completely fine to promote?
- stareatgoats 6y ago
  The reasons would be both historical and ideological. The end of WW2 saw the western powers and Soviet Union join in an alliance that thwarted the Nazi plans of a world empire where a master race (white folks) would be explicitly and morally entitled to enslave the rest of the world. Such an ideology is an anathema to liberal democracy and communists alike, and formed one basis of the alliance that crushed the Nazis. Only after the war and the common enemy was defeated did the split between liberal democracy and communism become the main conflict, and even then it rarely escalated to hot war. BTW, to evaluate ideologies based on counting the dead in conflicts between powers, or on number of victims in famines that occur because of failed policies implies ideological and historical ignorance, despite the popularity of such blame games on social media. But it shows that people are getting fed up with all the killing at least.
  - varispeed 6y ago
    You are most likely unable to choose the class you are born into, so where you belong is outside your control, in a similar way to the colour of your skin. In that respect I fail to see how Communism is different from Nazism. In both systems the outcome is that part of the population becomes enslaved, they only had different criteria who is going to suffer.
    - stareatgoats 6y ago
      If your method of understanding the world consist of constructing hypothetical scenarios like that you will not be able to understand history. History isn't shaped by considerations such as "x has some common traits with y and therefore x and y should be treated the same" (leaving aside the whole discussion of what actually constitutes common traits). Case in point, you had a question which you couldn't answer through that method. I gave you an explanation that explains the need for another method (study of the historical events in their context); you came back insisting that history should bend to your will. You might be surprised to learn that doesn't work like that, eventually.

by iaw 6y ago

For context, in Germany displaying a swastika or endorsing Naziism has been illegal (with some exceptions) since around right after WWII. They take their hate speech pretty seriously.

tmalsburg2 6y ago

Displaying a swastika is not illegal in Germany. It's only illegal if you use it for nazi propaganda purposes. Stop spreading misinformation. Relevant quote [1]: "Whoever domestically disseminates or produces ... the contents of which are intended to further the aims of a former National Socialist organization ... shall be punished ..." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a#Symbols_affected https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a#Sy...

happytoexplain 6y ago
This is a weirdly hostile attack. I assumed that's what the parent meant, but still, you're right that it's important to remember that things like educational contexts exist.
leetcrew 6y ago
to be fair, it seems like this is a recent relaxation of the rules? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45142651 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45142651
- tmalsburg2 6y ago
  No, the "total ban" mentioned in the BBC article existed only in the context of video games. Displaying the swastika has been allowed for many purposes for quite a while.
oezi 6y ago
Sorry but your quote is just not correct. You are mixing sentences from two sections of illegal things. It is illegal to sell swastika stickers in Germany even if you don't engage in any propaganda. You would need to have clear context that critizes the prohibited parties (e.g. swastika thrown into a trash can).
- tmalsburg2 6y ago
  No, the quote is only shortened a bit for convenience. Please visit the Wikipedia page and check for yourself.
cblconfederate 6y ago
Would spreading such misinformation also get you arrested in germany?

varispeed 6y ago

Do you know why promoting Nazi symbols is illegal, but communist symbols (a system that claimed magnitude more lives than Nazism) are completely fine to promote?

stareatgoats 6y ago
The reasons would be both historical and ideological. The end of WW2 saw the western powers and Soviet Union join in an alliance that thwarted the Nazi plans of a world empire where a master race (white folks) would be explicitly and morally entitled to enslave the rest of the world. Such an ideology is an anathema to liberal democracy and communists alike, and formed one basis of the alliance that crushed the Nazis. Only after the war and the common enemy was defeated did the split between liberal democracy and communism become the main conflict, and even then it rarely escalated to hot war. BTW, to evaluate ideologies based on counting the dead in conflicts between powers, or on number of victims in famines that occur because of failed policies implies ideological and historical ignorance, despite the popularity of such blame games on social media. But it shows that people are getting fed up with all the killing at least.
- varispeed 6y ago
  You are most likely unable to choose the class you are born into, so where you belong is outside your control, in a similar way to the colour of your skin. In that respect I fail to see how Communism is different from Nazism. In both systems the outcome is that part of the population becomes enslaved, they only had different criteria who is going to suffer.
  - stareatgoats 6y ago
    If your method of understanding the world consist of constructing hypothetical scenarios like that you will not be able to understand history. History isn't shaped by considerations such as "x has some common traits with y and therefore x and y should be treated the same" (leaving aside the whole discussion of what actually constitutes common traits). Case in point, you had a question which you couldn't answer through that method. I gave you an explanation that explains the need for another method (study of the historical events in their context); you came back insisting that history should bend to your will. You might be surprised to learn that doesn't work like that, eventually.