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This raid and the killing of the teacher in France because he showed insulting cartoons, both come from the same principle: There is speech so offensive that me

This raid and the killing of the teacher in France because he showed insulting cartoons, both come from the same principle: There is speech so offensive that merely communicating that speech is cause for opposing that speech with physical violence. It seems Europe embraces that principle. I am glad that the United States on the whole rejects that principle in favor a more broad embrace of free speech.

Udik 6y ago
Note that in France last year someone was sentenced to a year in jail for publishing this cartoon: https://besttv232-ynet-images1-prod.cdn.it.best-tv.com/PicServer5/2019/04/16/9189852/chutzpah_hedbo.jpg https://besttv232-ynet-images1-prod.cdn.it.best-tv.com/PicSe... Then a few days ago Macron, referring to the killing of the teacher, said "I will always defend the freedom to speak, to write, to think and to draw". Cognitive dissonance.
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  I don't get it. I don't speak French, and I'm not in that culture. Can anyone explain what the offensiveness is?
  - mmm_grayons 6y ago
    I'm not French either, but it appears it was ruled to be Holocaust Denial. Apparently, that can warrant jail time in France.
- mariusor 6y ago
  > Cognitive dissonance. It might be just a different definition for what free speech covers. Holocaust denial and inciting to violence are two examples of what is not protected in most European countries. Since I didn't know what the cartoon was about I did a bit of research, and the article I found shows that its author was sentenced for "questioning crimes against humanity" and "racial insult"[1] of which the cartoon seems to be just one example. [1] https://qz.com/1595792/holocaust-denial-in-france-alain-soral-sentenced-to-a-year-in-jail/ https://qz.com/1595792/holocaust-denial-in-france-alain-sora...
AnimalMuppet 6y ago
Well, the US is getting to the point where there are plenty of people who think that speech is cause for opposing that speech with violence. The difference is that it's their violence, not (usually) official police violence.

Udik 6y ago

Note that in France last year someone was sentenced to a year in jail for publishing this cartoon: https://besttv232-ynet-images1-prod.cdn.it.best-tv.com/PicServer5/2019/04/16/9189852/chutzpah_hedbo.jpg https://besttv232-ynet-images1-prod.cdn.it.best-tv.com/PicSe... Then a few days ago Macron, referring to the killing of the teacher, said "I will always defend the freedom to speak, to write, to think and to draw". Cognitive dissonance.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago
I don't get it. I don't speak French, and I'm not in that culture. Can anyone explain what the offensiveness is?
- mmm_grayons 6y ago
  I'm not French either, but it appears it was ruled to be Holocaust Denial. Apparently, that can warrant jail time in France.
mariusor 6y ago
> Cognitive dissonance. It might be just a different definition for what free speech covers. Holocaust denial and inciting to violence are two examples of what is not protected in most European countries. Since I didn't know what the cartoon was about I did a bit of research, and the article I found shows that its author was sentenced for "questioning crimes against humanity" and "racial insult"[1] of which the cartoon seems to be just one example. [1] https://qz.com/1595792/holocaust-denial-in-france-alain-soral-sentenced-to-a-year-in-jail/ https://qz.com/1595792/holocaust-denial-in-france-alain-sora...

AnimalMuppet 6y ago

Well, the US is getting to the point where there are plenty of people who think that speech is cause for opposing that speech with violence. The difference is that it's their violence, not (usually) official police violence.