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Same here but that architecture is getting far less attention than Epyc right now. Seems a bit of a shame.

dragontamer 6y ago
EPYC is actually out, so people can actually play with it. POWER9 made a big splash with Summit, and POWER9 is no bandwidth slouch either. POWER9 also had Talos II so that "normies" could actually get a machine to play with under $10k. Raptor Computing (makers of Talos) haven't said anything about POWER10 support yet. So its hard to get excited about a product that seems impossible to use.
- rbanffy 6y ago
  With AMD pressuring Intel, I fear Raptor will be unable to make a price/performance-competitive POWER10 box the same way they did with POWER9. IBM needs to understand that if there's no easy onboarding to a platform, it becomes a legacy one, as new things are built elsewhere.
  - tachyonbeam 6y ago
    > IBM needs to understand that if there's no easy onboarding to a platform, it becomes a legacy one, as new things are built elsewhere. You're absolutely right. 10K is a huge amount of money to spend on a computer, even a workstation. Most startups can't afford that, so they will never run POWER hardware, and the startups of today are the big corporations of tomorrow. POWER will likely disappear just like "minicomputers" did. This makes me think of Apple making their ecosystem increasingly more locked in and restrictive. The result is that Apple devices become increasingly less fun for developers to play with. The end result is that more developers will migrate towards Linux. These people will then be less likely to develop software for Apple.
    - rbanffy 6y ago
      > POWER will likely disappear just like "minicomputers" did. They'll stay with the IBM i, but there isn't much AIX can do that Linux on Xeon can't do as well as. AIX is not like their mainframe business (and even there, they have surrendered to Linux). > These people will then be less likely to develop software for Apple. They still have a pretty good UX for developers and entry-level machines. I'll probably replace my aging Mac Mini with an ARM-based one next year or so. What will really upset me is if MacPorts is no longer supported on ARM. I hope Apple is sponsoring someone ensuring key parts of the 3rd party ecosystem are there or Macs will become second-class developer machines.

EPYC is actually out, so people can actually play with it. POWER9 made a big splash with Summit, and POWER9 is no bandwidth slouch either. POWER9 also had Talos II so that "normies" could actually get a machine to play with under $10k. Raptor Computing (makers of Talos) haven't said anything about POWER10 support yet. So its hard to get excited about a product that seems impossible to use.

rbanffy 6y ago
With AMD pressuring Intel, I fear Raptor will be unable to make a price/performance-competitive POWER10 box the same way they did with POWER9. IBM needs to understand that if there's no easy onboarding to a platform, it becomes a legacy one, as new things are built elsewhere.
- tachyonbeam 6y ago
  > IBM needs to understand that if there's no easy onboarding to a platform, it becomes a legacy one, as new things are built elsewhere. You're absolutely right. 10K is a huge amount of money to spend on a computer, even a workstation. Most startups can't afford that, so they will never run POWER hardware, and the startups of today are the big corporations of tomorrow. POWER will likely disappear just like "minicomputers" did. This makes me think of Apple making their ecosystem increasingly more locked in and restrictive. The result is that Apple devices become increasingly less fun for developers to play with. The end result is that more developers will migrate towards Linux. These people will then be less likely to develop software for Apple.
  - rbanffy 6y ago
    > POWER will likely disappear just like "minicomputers" did. They'll stay with the IBM i, but there isn't much AIX can do that Linux on Xeon can't do as well as. AIX is not like their mainframe business (and even there, they have surrendered to Linux). > These people will then be less likely to develop software for Apple. They still have a pretty good UX for developers and entry-level machines. I'll probably replace my aging Mac Mini with an ARM-based one next year or so. What will really upset me is if MacPorts is no longer supported on ARM. I hope Apple is sponsoring someone ensuring key parts of the 3rd party ecosystem are there or Macs will become second-class developer machines.