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As a white man, who came to Britain from Ukraine on visa, the poorest country in Europe, whose parents earn 300$/month total, whose grandma was starving during

by go13 6y ago

As a white man, who came to Britain from Ukraine on visa, the poorest country in Europe, whose parents earn 300$/month total, whose grandma was starving during the 1933 famine, and whose nation had slavery by 1861, whose language was banned on multiple occasions, (and other things like my accent etc) where do I stand in my white male privilege in comparison others who were born in the UK and US?

gedy 6y ago
Honestly in some groups your comments would be taken as evidence of "white fragility" and that you are not on "the right side of the issues".
- go13 6y ago
  Probably they would be taken. Because people's moral stance is when it comes to me or my group - that's sexism or racism, but when it comes to others - that's "fragility" and sexism or other discrimination "can work in my favour only". In other words, hypocrisy
Raphmedia 6y ago
"So, What Is White Privilege? White privilege is—perhaps most notably in this era of uncivil discourse—a concept that has fallen victim to its own connotations. The two-word term packs a double whammy that inspires pushback. 1) The word white creates discomfort among those who are not used to being defined or described by their race. And 2) the word privilege, especially for poor and rural white people, sounds like a word that doesn’t belong to them—like a word that suggests they have never struggled. This defensiveness derails the conversation, which means, unfortunately, that defining white privilege must often begin with defining what it’s not. Otherwise, only the choir listens; the people you actually want to reach check out. White privilege is not the suggestion that white people have never struggled. Many white people do not enjoy the privileges that come with relative affluence, such as food security. Many do not experience the privileges that come with access, such as nearby hospitals. And white privilege is not the assumption that everything a white person has accomplished is unearned; most white people who have reached a high level of success worked extremely hard to get there. Instead, white privilege should be viewed as a built-in advantage, separate from one’s level of income or effort." https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/fall-2018/what-is-white-privilege-really https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/fall-2018/what-is-white-p... Or in short, as Kimmel once said: "White privilege doesn't mean your life hasn't been hard. It just means the color of your skin isn't one of the things that makes it harder."
- go13 6y ago
  If i go to China, and i'm white, will my white privilege stay with me? I doubt. Because if there is a majority of people that is homogeneous and shares common history/views/culture etc, and this group might look inwards, not outwards and respect their own traditions and other things more than those of foreigners, do they have a privilege over me? Of course they do. Is it not fair? It is fair. And im okay with that. Maybe that's a privilege of majority? How about Asian privilege? Why so many Asian in STEM in western universities? Is it unfair? I think it is absolutely fair as long as the administration doesn't judge them by their skin color or other irrelevant to study qualities. But abstract administration may want to look at the skin and help those who they consider are lower on the victimhood hierarchy, but there are many many problems that arise when an administration starts doing this.
  - Raphmedia 6y ago
    > If i go to China, and i'm white, will my white privilege stay with me? Yes. "It’s not uncommon for Chinese companies to hire foreigners, especially white Westerners, to represent them in public relations-type roles. Many Chinese equate Caucasian faces with business success and a global outlook. For decades, products made in China but associated with foreign elements – such as a Western-sounding name or being endorsed by a Caucasian model – have been seen as superior." https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2096341/white-people-wanted-peek-chinas-booming-rent-foreigner-industry https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2096341/whit...

by go13 6y ago

gedy 6y ago

Honestly in some groups your comments would be taken as evidence of "white fragility" and that you are not on "the right side of the issues".

go13 6y ago
Probably they would be taken. Because people's moral stance is when it comes to me or my group - that's sexism or racism, but when it comes to others - that's "fragility" and sexism or other discrimination "can work in my favour only". In other words, hypocrisy

Raphmedia 6y ago

"So, What Is White Privilege? White privilege is—perhaps most notably in this era of uncivil discourse—a concept that has fallen victim to its own connotations. The two-word term packs a double whammy that inspires pushback. 1) The word white creates discomfort among those who are not used to being defined or described by their race. And 2) the word privilege, especially for poor and rural white people, sounds like a word that doesn’t belong to them—like a word that suggests they have never struggled. This defensiveness derails the conversation, which means, unfortunately, that defining white privilege must often begin with defining what it’s not. Otherwise, only the choir listens; the people you actually want to reach check out. White privilege is not the suggestion that white people have never struggled. Many white people do not enjoy the privileges that come with relative affluence, such as food security. Many do not experience the privileges that come with access, such as nearby hospitals. And white privilege is not the assumption that everything a white person has accomplished is unearned; most white people who have reached a high level of success worked extremely hard to get there. Instead, white privilege should be viewed as a built-in advantage, separate from one’s level of income or effort." https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/fall-2018/what-is-white-privilege-really https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/fall-2018/what-is-white-p... Or in short, as Kimmel once said: "White privilege doesn't mean your life hasn't been hard. It just means the color of your skin isn't one of the things that makes it harder."

go13 6y ago
If i go to China, and i'm white, will my white privilege stay with me? I doubt. Because if there is a majority of people that is homogeneous and shares common history/views/culture etc, and this group might look inwards, not outwards and respect their own traditions and other things more than those of foreigners, do they have a privilege over me? Of course they do. Is it not fair? It is fair. And im okay with that. Maybe that's a privilege of majority? How about Asian privilege? Why so many Asian in STEM in western universities? Is it unfair? I think it is absolutely fair as long as the administration doesn't judge them by their skin color or other irrelevant to study qualities. But abstract administration may want to look at the skin and help those who they consider are lower on the victimhood hierarchy, but there are many many problems that arise when an administration starts doing this.
- Raphmedia 6y ago
  > If i go to China, and i'm white, will my white privilege stay with me? Yes. "It’s not uncommon for Chinese companies to hire foreigners, especially white Westerners, to represent them in public relations-type roles. Many Chinese equate Caucasian faces with business success and a global outlook. For decades, products made in China but associated with foreign elements – such as a Western-sounding name or being endorsed by a Caucasian model – have been seen as superior." https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2096341/white-people-wanted-peek-chinas-booming-rent-foreigner-industry https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2096341/whit...