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One thing that makes it hard to grok is how large the scope seems to be and the cognitive bias many devs have developed against new platforms due to being burne
by kev009 6y ago
One thing that makes it hard to grok is how large the scope seems to be and the cognitive bias many devs have developed against new platforms due to being burned in the past. It reminds me of a throwback to 90s era RADs that wanted to encompass everything for everyone without really having clear intent or at least a platform company backing them to snare enough users to become a new platform. Sometimes there are gems in the rough in things like that like Delphi, and I don't mean to dismiss any of the ideas or dreams, but IMO platform companies are going to continue to monopolize the language space (for instance, I see great irony in they are using .NET because Microsoft basically does what they are trying to do). So that's why I bring up Delphi above, it seems this could be an opinionated framework on top of a .NET language instead of yet another language?
- seibelj 6y agoIt looks like Dark is trying to be a new language, a backend server, a CI solution, and an IDE! Then there is a blog post that everyone churns: > Currently, we get 10 user signups a day, and on average, 0 of them stick. We do have developers who love Dark, but not enough. https://roadmap.darklang.com/goals-of-dark-v2 https://roadmap.darklang.com/goals-of-dark-v2 I think the company should focus on just one of those things and it would still be an enormous lift given their size. > The problems and fixes are across the product. One problem is that undo is slow, another is that you can't put a minus sign in front of an integer, another is that we need to define how namespaces will work in the package manager. The fixes range from adding tooltips in the UI, to adding a type-checker, to making the package manager public. https://blog.darklang.com/dark-v2-roadmap/ https://blog.darklang.com/dark-v2-roadmap/ Ayeeeee... this is like trying to carve Mount Rushmore using a spoon.
- robertlagrant 6y agoAlso only one person is working on it - everyone else in the dev team seems to have been let go/fired. https://blog.darklang.com/dark-and-the-long-term/ https://blog.darklang.com/dark-and-the-long-term/
- divtiwari 6y agoLol
- pbiggar 6y agoReally wasn't that funny
- robertlagrant 6y agoIt reads that there are some remaining millions of dollars, which now support a single employee. Is that a correct reading?
- pbiggar 6y agoA little over a million. While that should last 5 years, I expect to hire again in the new year, once I have an actual plan figured out.
- NomDePlum 6y agoGood luck. Better to recognise the problem and try to adjust than to just plow on.
- robertlagrant 6y agoFair. Good luck :-) Happy CircleCI customer.
- seibelj 6y agoOh my goodness! This is something that I think you need a sizable open source community to build and maintain. This platform is not close to something you can rely on to build your new startup / business. I don't want to denigrate the efforts of the founders / devs but this is just an insanely huge amount of effort. Entire companies are built to just to provide a small subset of what Dark is trying to accomplish. The employees must be super stressed out! I would focus on maybe just the IDE and deployment. I don't see why you need an entire new language. I could see this being an advanced IDE to churn out server-less APIs plus some closed-source packages to provide magic. But this is just... woah!
- ensiferum 6y agoSo no product marker fit and apparently no clear idea who the customer is. On the road to failure unfortunately.