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I'll bite: So why did you need it in the first place?

nwsm 6y ago
Eventually we'll add an analytics plugin and need the banner. But at the time it was one of those "every site has one" decisions from non-technical folks. Similar frustration with arbitrary password requirements on the same site.
- DarkWiiPlayer 6y ago
  > password requirements Tell your higher-ups I hate them. I decide what my password is and if its secure enough considering how much I value a given service.
  - airstrike 6y ago
    Sometimes I really want my password to be 123123!
    - reaperducer 6y ago
      Sometimes I really want my password to be 123123! Yes, I do. For example, I have a laptop that is airgapped from the internet. But macOS still requires a password to differentiate between users. Fortunately, Apple permits four-digit numbers to be used for logins, and doesn't impose its own views on the situation.
      - DarkWiiPlayer 6y ago
        Linux mint tells you* your password isn't strong enough, but just lets you click "next" anyway. Best approach if you ask me. * During user creation at least
- dvtrn 6y ago
  What are we as technical operators even good for if our counsel, judgment and recommendations (things I thought we were even hired for as valuable key contribution points) are frequently overridden by non-technical people who in the best cases don’t understand the evidence shown, in the worst don’t even care to?
- wdb 6y ago
  Well, if you use Cloud Armour and you try to change the password it apparently doesn't like the password to start with $ and then this blocks the whole request. Two options to solve disable the specific rule or change the password requirements. Sometimes the latter is the easiest in some companies.
- Angostura 6y ago
  "We've used advanced technology design to ensure we are compliant without the need for the ugly banners other sites are forced to use"
- alangibson 6y ago
  My "dysfunctional product design process" alarm is going off. The idea of implementing an annoying popup to support something you _might_ do in the future for any reason is madness. And do they not realize that user credentials are a huge liability? Why would you want to support anything related to user identity if you don't need to.
  - reaperducer 6y ago
    My "dysfunctional product design process" alarm is going off. Very few companies are large enough to have a "product design process." In situations like this, it's usually some paper-pusher saw it on his favorite web site and thinks it should be on the company's, too. Middle managers gotta middle manage.
    - kubanczyk 6y ago
      > Middle managers gotta middle manage Hilarious, stealing it! Originally at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23797037 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23797037
  - mewpmewp2 6y ago
    I don't think it is irrational ot madness at all. Imagine having to switch developers and then you ask for analytics from your new developer. Very easy to happen that they could forget about the cookie banner. I would go as far as to say it is wise to deal with it once and for all. Especially since implementing the banner takes such short amount of time. Worrying about it will waste many times more brain cycles and once again there is always a chance someone forgets about it in the future and legal worries will be infinitely more costly.
- Alupis 6y ago
  Probably an unpopular opinion - but if you do not have a physical presence in the EU, and you're not the size of some Unicorn corp, you can completely ignore these silly cookie banners for now and instead focus on things that actually matter for your startup.

nwsm 6y ago

Eventually we'll add an analytics plugin and need the banner. But at the time it was one of those "every site has one" decisions from non-technical folks. Similar frustration with arbitrary password requirements on the same site.

DarkWiiPlayer 6y ago
> password requirements Tell your higher-ups I hate them. I decide what my password is and if its secure enough considering how much I value a given service.
- airstrike 6y ago
  Sometimes I really want my password to be 123123!
  - reaperducer 6y ago
    Sometimes I really want my password to be 123123! Yes, I do. For example, I have a laptop that is airgapped from the internet. But macOS still requires a password to differentiate between users. Fortunately, Apple permits four-digit numbers to be used for logins, and doesn't impose its own views on the situation.
    - DarkWiiPlayer 6y ago
      Linux mint tells you* your password isn't strong enough, but just lets you click "next" anyway. Best approach if you ask me. * During user creation at least
dvtrn 6y ago
What are we as technical operators even good for if our counsel, judgment and recommendations (things I thought we were even hired for as valuable key contribution points) are frequently overridden by non-technical people who in the best cases don’t understand the evidence shown, in the worst don’t even care to?
wdb 6y ago
Well, if you use Cloud Armour and you try to change the password it apparently doesn't like the password to start with $ and then this blocks the whole request. Two options to solve disable the specific rule or change the password requirements. Sometimes the latter is the easiest in some companies.
Angostura 6y ago
"We've used advanced technology design to ensure we are compliant without the need for the ugly banners other sites are forced to use"
alangibson 6y ago
My "dysfunctional product design process" alarm is going off. The idea of implementing an annoying popup to support something you _might_ do in the future for any reason is madness. And do they not realize that user credentials are a huge liability? Why would you want to support anything related to user identity if you don't need to.
- reaperducer 6y ago
  My "dysfunctional product design process" alarm is going off. Very few companies are large enough to have a "product design process." In situations like this, it's usually some paper-pusher saw it on his favorite web site and thinks it should be on the company's, too. Middle managers gotta middle manage.
  - kubanczyk 6y ago
    > Middle managers gotta middle manage Hilarious, stealing it! Originally at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23797037 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23797037
- mewpmewp2 6y ago
  I don't think it is irrational ot madness at all. Imagine having to switch developers and then you ask for analytics from your new developer. Very easy to happen that they could forget about the cookie banner. I would go as far as to say it is wise to deal with it once and for all. Especially since implementing the banner takes such short amount of time. Worrying about it will waste many times more brain cycles and once again there is always a chance someone forgets about it in the future and legal worries will be infinitely more costly.
Alupis 6y ago
Probably an unpopular opinion - but if you do not have a physical presence in the EU, and you're not the size of some Unicorn corp, you can completely ignore these silly cookie banners for now and instead focus on things that actually matter for your startup.