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I think the skepticism and criticism of this project is reasonable, given the marketing. Look at it: https://dahliaos.io/ https://dahliaos.io/ > a modern, secu

I think the skepticism and criticism of this project is reasonable, given the marketing. Look at it: https://dahliaos.io/ https://dahliaos.io/ > a modern, secure, lightweight and responsive operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linux and Fuchsia OS The initial announcement and first couple years of development of linux had no logo or website or anything. Let's compare: > a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones I usually just move on without comment ... but I'm kinda annoyed by the trend of the "npm generation" to have all this slick marketing bluster for experimental "just for learning" projects. Go ahead and compare to https://gcc.gnu.org/ https://gcc.gnu.org/ - much less slick, much less marketing bluster, much more important project. This dahliaOS has apparently recently joined the Open Invention Network "joining the likes of Google, IBM, SpaceX, Huawei, Microsoft, Yamaha, Honda, System76, GNOME, Daimler" and is accepting donations. Meanwhile, the founder says: > A lot of my stuff is learning about kernel development and is mostly what I do. I do a lot with porting devices to fuchsia, and tinkering with the zircon kernel. Thats mostly it. If there was just a repo and the readme just said that, I don't think there would be any skepticism and criticism here, just some interest and encouragement. But with all this slick marketing, skepticism and criticism is a healthy balance.

nmcain 6y ago
That's perfectly understandable, I even feel that I went a little too "slick marketing" with the website, but I have extremely high, maybe even too high goals for the project.
- 3np 6y ago
  It's fine to have high (even unrealistic!) goals, but IMO you're doing your project a disservice by presenting it as if the future's already here. I think it's a really interesting project but it's not an honest presentation (not in an exceptional way, it seems to be an existing trend in startup culture so it's understandable that people replicate it).
  - nmcain 6y ago
    The wording is definitely a little brash and market-y, but I don't think there is anything on the site that is explicitly false, but of course it probably comes across as represented to be more finished than it actually is, which is a fair understanding.
- yiyus 6y ago
  Having high aspirations for your rock band is perfectly fine, but designing the album cover and the poster for the world tour when you only play some covers from other bands is probably not the best way to make yourself a name in the scene. I don't know your project in particular so I don't know if this is what you are doing, but I agree with ploxiln in that it is a general trend nowadays.
  - pessimizer 6y ago
    The criticism about programming projects is good, but do not take this advice for your band.
    - yiyus 6y ago
      Hahahaha. Fair enough.
  - AshamedCaptain 6y ago
    > but designing the album cover and the poster for the world tour when you only play some covers from other bands is probably not the best way to make yourself a name in the scene. I'm not sure it's not. And that's kinda sad...
  - microtherion 6y ago
    I'm a product first guy myself, but those Lamborghinis you see on the street generally are NOT driven by product first people…
  - nmcain 6y ago
    It does seem to be a trend nowdays. I think the most fitting analogy to what we are doing is "Desigining the album cover for the world tour, when we only have a few songs for it." It most definitely is a little overerpresented on the website, but i'd say the goals and features are completely attainable, they are represented to be high when they are really standard features that are relatively easy to implement.
nsm 6y ago
“Making is show business now” https://alexdanco.com/2020/10/08/making-is-show-business-now/ https://alexdanco.com/2020/10/08/making-is-show-business-now...

nmcain 6y ago

That's perfectly understandable, I even feel that I went a little too "slick marketing" with the website, but I have extremely high, maybe even too high goals for the project.

3np 6y ago
It's fine to have high (even unrealistic!) goals, but IMO you're doing your project a disservice by presenting it as if the future's already here. I think it's a really interesting project but it's not an honest presentation (not in an exceptional way, it seems to be an existing trend in startup culture so it's understandable that people replicate it).
- nmcain 6y ago
  The wording is definitely a little brash and market-y, but I don't think there is anything on the site that is explicitly false, but of course it probably comes across as represented to be more finished than it actually is, which is a fair understanding.
yiyus 6y ago
Having high aspirations for your rock band is perfectly fine, but designing the album cover and the poster for the world tour when you only play some covers from other bands is probably not the best way to make yourself a name in the scene. I don't know your project in particular so I don't know if this is what you are doing, but I agree with ploxiln in that it is a general trend nowadays.
- pessimizer 6y ago
  The criticism about programming projects is good, but do not take this advice for your band.
  - yiyus 6y ago
    Hahahaha. Fair enough.
- AshamedCaptain 6y ago
  > but designing the album cover and the poster for the world tour when you only play some covers from other bands is probably not the best way to make yourself a name in the scene. I'm not sure it's not. And that's kinda sad...
- microtherion 6y ago
  I'm a product first guy myself, but those Lamborghinis you see on the street generally are NOT driven by product first people…
- nmcain 6y ago
  It does seem to be a trend nowdays. I think the most fitting analogy to what we are doing is "Desigining the album cover for the world tour, when we only have a few songs for it." It most definitely is a little overerpresented on the website, but i'd say the goals and features are completely attainable, they are represented to be high when they are really standard features that are relatively easy to implement.

nsm 6y ago

“Making is show business now” https://alexdanco.com/2020/10/08/making-is-show-business-now/ https://alexdanco.com/2020/10/08/making-is-show-business-now...