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Finally. So it's just about the USSR and its off-springs as I thought. Deny? I'm not denying anything, I'm saying that you're projecting those things onto peop

by jahaja 6y ago

Finally. So it's just about the USSR and its off-springs as I thought. Deny? I'm not denying anything, I'm saying that you're projecting those things onto people with fundamentally different ideas, a.k.a democratic ideas, not totalitarian.

chrisseaton 6y ago
People aren't arguing for democratic ideas though, they're arguing to enforce more-or-less equality. People don't try to achieve that through democracy. They seem to pretty much inevitably decide that 'just to get started it's ok to force it because the ends justify the means...' then before you know it - oppression and totalitarianism. It's played out like this again and again and again. Maybe it's just not such a hot idea?
- jahaja 6y ago
  Could you be less vague and specify examples of people and ideas that you are referring to? It's hard to reply to these vague generalizations. Who are these people that are not arguing for implementing their ideas democraticly? What undemocratic ideas are they proposing? What example do you have of something that started democratic but "then before you know it" ended up with oppression and totalitarianism?
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    > It's hard to reply to these vague generalizations. Then stop trying if you find it too hard to contribute a serious comment! You're asking me what I'm alluding to and what I'm projecting and asking me to explain things I haven't said and other backwards and inside-out things, rather than responding to the actual arguments I'm making myself. Seems like you're bringing some kind of baggage to the discussion that I'm not party to.
    - jahaja 6y ago
      What a pathetic non-reply. Those are direct questions to vague statements you made in that comment. It's clear now that you're not going substantiate anything since it would just display your ignorance.
      - chrisseaton 6y ago
        You're just being abusive now. I'm not sure why you feel the need to resort to this kind of language. The original question was 'what’s wrong with trying to force everyone to be financially more or less equal'. What’s wrong with it is every time someone tries this it ends up hell on earth. That’s it. That’s the whole point. No implications, no allusions. If that's not good enough for you, sorry nothing I can do about that. Maybe move on?
        jahaja 6y ago
        Sigh, and we're back to vague generalizations with zero effort nor intent to go beyond superficialities: > What’s wrong with it is every time someone tries this it ends up hell on earth. No surprise that you latch on to tone policing either. I rest my case.
        chrisseaton 6y ago
        It's not 'tone policing' to ask someone to not use personal abuse! Please check the site guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names.

by jahaja 6y ago

chrisseaton 6y ago

People aren't arguing for democratic ideas though, they're arguing to enforce more-or-less equality. People don't try to achieve that through democracy. They seem to pretty much inevitably decide that 'just to get started it's ok to force it because the ends justify the means...' then before you know it - oppression and totalitarianism. It's played out like this again and again and again. Maybe it's just not such a hot idea?

jahaja 6y ago
Could you be less vague and specify examples of people and ideas that you are referring to? It's hard to reply to these vague generalizations. Who are these people that are not arguing for implementing their ideas democraticly? What undemocratic ideas are they proposing? What example do you have of something that started democratic but "then before you know it" ended up with oppression and totalitarianism?
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  > It's hard to reply to these vague generalizations. Then stop trying if you find it too hard to contribute a serious comment! You're asking me what I'm alluding to and what I'm projecting and asking me to explain things I haven't said and other backwards and inside-out things, rather than responding to the actual arguments I'm making myself. Seems like you're bringing some kind of baggage to the discussion that I'm not party to.
  - jahaja 6y ago
    What a pathetic non-reply. Those are direct questions to vague statements you made in that comment. It's clear now that you're not going substantiate anything since it would just display your ignorance.
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      You're just being abusive now. I'm not sure why you feel the need to resort to this kind of language. The original question was 'what’s wrong with trying to force everyone to be financially more or less equal'. What’s wrong with it is every time someone tries this it ends up hell on earth. That’s it. That’s the whole point. No implications, no allusions. If that's not good enough for you, sorry nothing I can do about that. Maybe move on?
      - jahaja 6y ago
        Sigh, and we're back to vague generalizations with zero effort nor intent to go beyond superficialities: > What’s wrong with it is every time someone tries this it ends up hell on earth. No surprise that you latch on to tone policing either. I rest my case.
        chrisseaton 6y ago
        It's not 'tone policing' to ask someone to not use personal abuse! Please check the site guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names.