No, I think there are plenty of fair criticisms of both. Just like there are plenty of fair criticisms of init and X. But fair criticisms aren't really the co

No, I think there are plenty of fair criticisms of both. Just like there are plenty of fair criticisms of init and X. But fair criticisms aren't really the comments I tend to see in these threads. Instead I see fear/resentment/anger expressed in the form of "How dare you choose to use X, when it doesn't solve my problem Z? Good ol' Y never lets me down on Z, you should just keep using that. And no, I don't care that you have problems A, B, and C with Y". Which... looking back at that sentence... I sure used a lot of letters, but I think it captures the point.