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The New York Times (known for its hostility to labor unions — hahahaha actually known for the opposite) wrote the article referenced in this piece: https://www.
by fennecfoxen 6y ago
The New York Times (known for its hostility to labor unions — hahahaha actually known for the opposite) wrote the article referenced in this piece: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-...
In this article, they bring in the guy in charge of Crossrail (which runs right through Central London, at one point going between two existing transit lines with about a meter clearance on each side.) His first reaction was, perhaps, much like the first reaction of any casual observer would be: "What are all these people doing here just standing around?"
NYC union rules still require oilers on cranes (because it's still 1930 or something and our cranes all need the constant attention of someone resupplying their oil) and the union is paid a big fee for every tunnel boring machine, to compensate them for all the jobs lost (relative to half a century ago).
Of course, the MTA station design principles (mentioned elsewhere in this thread) do not help, excavating large caverns via mining, and the MTA doesn't know how to run a large program effectively and maintain good relations with its contractors, and of course there are a variety of exciting reported cases where the MTA doesn't even know why a person on the construction site is there or getting paid to begin with, so there's plenty of disaster to go around. Either way it works to the same result: we can't have nice things in this town.
- ggm 6y agoI'm not saying your comment is wrong, but you don't seem to have understood my point: the unions for the dockside workers in new york were strong, but ultimately a rational negotiation worked. The huge advantage the shipping companies had, was relocation. But, the fact remains a rational negotiation worked. This single fact (relocation) does not explain why. For some reason, rational negotiation with the workers in the US tunnel boring community doesn't work. Given the amount of excess cost, I think it is very likely better negotiating could work. The question would be, why there hasn't been a rational negotiation. I would argue, the highly intermittent nature of tunnelling, and tunnel work, has made the entities involved (the employers, the state, the city, the corporates) reluctant to do the negotiating. You talk to consequence: behaviour on the job. That doesn't have a lot to do with negotiating. Negotiating is done behind closed doors.