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It'd be interesting to see the what percentage of the labor billing rate trickles down to the actual workers in the US vs elsewhere. If the trickle down percen

It'd be interesting to see the what percentage of the labor billing rate trickles down to the actual workers in the US vs elsewhere. If the trickle down percentage is equal then the problem in the US is extractive labor unions; if US workers get a smaller percentage of the billing rate then the problem is extractive behavior by contractors. These problems require different solutions, so any attempts at cost control would need to determine which of these possibilities is in force. US healthcare costs will also almost certainly feed into higher employee compensation for American workers. European employers will be paying into health care in some form or other (either through taxes or private insurance) but overall healthcare costs in Europe are far lower than in the US.

benjohnson 6y ago
If there’s Federal money involved, most of it does trickle down to the worker. Each contractor has to report what they paid to each employee so that nobody is screwed. The idea was that the government didn’t want jobs to be done by cheap labor and they set a wage floor that corresponds to local union labor rates. The wage difference can be quite drastic - floggers pay jumps from $15 Pernod to about $32 per hour where I live. More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis–Bacon_Act_of_1931 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis–Bacon_Act_of_1931
- csours 6y ago
  Pernod?
  - anon84598 6y ago
    I assume it should have been "per hour" but autocorrect got creative
  - kingofpandora 6y ago
    per hour
- BurningFrog 6y ago
  Yeah, but the worker has to be a union member, and they don't let random people join. > The idea was that the government didn’t want jobs to be done by cheap labor To be more specific, they didn't want the jobs to go to black workers.
Gibbon1 6y ago
When one talks about the percentage of labor costs that trickle down to the worker. I include the workers expenses in that as well. If you are paying a worker you are also paying his rent, health insurance, and transportation costs. Those are high by world standards. Remember a bitch by a VC that tech workers weren't benefiting from the high wages he was paying so much as land lords. That. Financialization and rent seeking in the US acts as a privately imposed tax on real economic activity. That shows in in things like why my company has moved every five years since the early 2000's. Our lease expires. The rent doubles and we move. Want to fix this; prune back the finance and healthcare industries.
Element_ 6y ago
I believe in NYC the underground work is controlled by the labor unions, so hourly wages are actually very high. I believe getting one of those tunneling jobs is like winning the lottery to middle class people in the area.

benjohnson 6y ago

If there’s Federal money involved, most of it does trickle down to the worker. Each contractor has to report what they paid to each employee so that nobody is screwed. The idea was that the government didn’t want jobs to be done by cheap labor and they set a wage floor that corresponds to local union labor rates. The wage difference can be quite drastic - floggers pay jumps from $15 Pernod to about $32 per hour where I live. More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis–Bacon_Act_of_1931 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis–Bacon_Act_of_1931

csours 6y ago
Pernod?
- anon84598 6y ago
  I assume it should have been "per hour" but autocorrect got creative
- kingofpandora 6y ago
  per hour
BurningFrog 6y ago
Yeah, but the worker has to be a union member, and they don't let random people join. > The idea was that the government didn’t want jobs to be done by cheap labor To be more specific, they didn't want the jobs to go to black workers.

Gibbon1 6y ago

When one talks about the percentage of labor costs that trickle down to the worker. I include the workers expenses in that as well. If you are paying a worker you are also paying his rent, health insurance, and transportation costs. Those are high by world standards. Remember a bitch by a VC that tech workers weren't benefiting from the high wages he was paying so much as land lords. That. Financialization and rent seeking in the US acts as a privately imposed tax on real economic activity. That shows in in things like why my company has moved every five years since the early 2000's. Our lease expires. The rent doubles and we move. Want to fix this; prune back the finance and healthcare industries.

Element_ 6y ago

I believe in NYC the underground work is controlled by the labor unions, so hourly wages are actually very high. I believe getting one of those tunneling jobs is like winning the lottery to middle class people in the area.