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It wouldn't be legal in any of those territories - those explicit copyright exemptions don't apply to content that you're not licensed to have permanently or br

It wouldn't be legal in any of those territories - those explicit copyright exemptions don't apply to content that you're not licensed to have permanently or broadcasts. European law also requires member states to have laws against breaching technical protection measures, and bypassing those isn't usually legal irrespective of personal copy exemptions. And in this case Youtube-dl was taken down because it was claimed to breach technical protection measures.

realusername 6y ago
> It wouldn't be legal in any of those territories - those explicit copyright exemptions don't apply to content that you're not licensed to have permanently or broadcasts. On my case (French laws), there's no exception for that: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/article_lc/LEGIARTI000006466389/1992-07-02 https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/article_lc/LEGIARTI00000... as long as it's a private copy. > European law also requires member states to have laws against breaching technical protection measures, and bypassing those isn't usually legal irrespective of personal copy exemptions. And in this case Youtube-dl was taken down because it was claimed to breach technical protection measures. That's actually the opposite, there's an interoperability exceptions for DRMs unlike in the US, which protecting a video certainly falls into since you would not be able to read it.
- Mindwipe 6y ago
  I'm afraid that the French Supreme Court disagrees with you on both points (https://www.hoganlovells.com/~/media/hogan-lovells/pdf/publication/frenchcopyright062006_pdf.ashx https://www.hoganlovells.com/~/media/hogan-lovells/pdf/publi...) As it must, because the European directive has primacy.
  - realusername 6y ago
    That's a different problem, this is judging the legality of DRMs. Copyright holders unfortunately still have a right to add DRMs into their media but consumers also have a right to break them for their personal copy. I personally think DRMs should be plain illegal since you have a right to copy for your personal use, that would make more sense, but here we are, that's some middle ground.
Jon_Lowtek 6y ago
on the contrary: bypassing technical protection is only illegal in the eu if done for illegal purposes, not if done while staying within consumer rights.

realusername 6y ago

> It wouldn't be legal in any of those territories - those explicit copyright exemptions don't apply to content that you're not licensed to have permanently or broadcasts. On my case (French laws), there's no exception for that: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/article_lc/LEGIARTI000006466389/1992-07-02 https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/article_lc/LEGIARTI00000... as long as it's a private copy. > European law also requires member states to have laws against breaching technical protection measures, and bypassing those isn't usually legal irrespective of personal copy exemptions. And in this case Youtube-dl was taken down because it was claimed to breach technical protection measures. That's actually the opposite, there's an interoperability exceptions for DRMs unlike in the US, which protecting a video certainly falls into since you would not be able to read it.

Mindwipe 6y ago
I'm afraid that the French Supreme Court disagrees with you on both points (https://www.hoganlovells.com/~/media/hogan-lovells/pdf/publication/frenchcopyright062006_pdf.ashx https://www.hoganlovells.com/~/media/hogan-lovells/pdf/publi...) As it must, because the European directive has primacy.
- realusername 6y ago
  That's a different problem, this is judging the legality of DRMs. Copyright holders unfortunately still have a right to add DRMs into their media but consumers also have a right to break them for their personal copy. I personally think DRMs should be plain illegal since you have a right to copy for your personal use, that would make more sense, but here we are, that's some middle ground.

Jon_Lowtek 6y ago

on the contrary: bypassing technical protection is only illegal in the eu if done for illegal purposes, not if done while staying within consumer rights.