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Two things: 1.) I understand this is a rhetorical device but it is disingenuous to ask someone to provide evidence of what another individual knew and when. 2

by hluska 6y ago

Two things: 1.) I understand this is a rhetorical device but it is disingenuous to ask someone to provide evidence of what another individual knew and when. 2.) Their terms are public. Your comment would have been more usefully informed had you bothered to read them.

mynameisvlad 6y ago
Their current terms are public. Those could have changed wildly over the 11 years the company has been active.
speedgoose 6y ago
Nobody bother reading terms that look like this : https://prezi.com/prezi-business-terms-of-use/ https://prezi.com/prezi-business-terms-of-use/
- Joker_vD 6y ago
  "I've read and agreed to terms and conditions" is probably the most common lie in the Internet.
- gav 6y ago
  Estimated reading time: 22 minutes, 45 seconds. Contains 4552 words Plus it's a poor use of half an hour if they can change things anyway: > Prezi may revise these Prezi Business Terms and Conditions. If Prezi makes material revisions, Prezi will notify Customer, either through the user interface of the Presentation Services, in an email notification or through other reasonable means. Customer’s use of the Presentation Services after the date such revisions become effective will constitute consent to the revised Prezi Business Terms and Conditions.
- btilly 6y ago
  I checked https://readabilityformulas.com/freetests/six-readability-formulas.php https://readabilityformulas.com/freetests/six-readability-fo... and all tests agreed that it was not just college level text, but advanced college level text. In literacy tests, under 2% of Americans read beyond a grade 12 level. Odds are than under 1% could read that terms of use and actually understand it. Even if they wanted to. (Note, they only analyze the first 3000 words.) TEXT READABILITY CONSENSUS CALCULATOR www.ReadabilityFormulas.com Timestamp: 11/02/2020 — 12:19:15pm Purpose: Our Text Readability Consensus Calculator uses 7 popular readability formulas to calculate the average grade level, reading age, and text difficulty of your sample text. Your Results: Your text: These Prezi Business Terms and Conditions, togethe ... (2920 words total) 1. Flesch Reading Ease score: 29 (text scale) Flesch Reading Ease scored your text: very difficult to read. 2. Gunning Fog: 17 (text scale) Gunning Fog scored your text: difficult to read. 3. Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level: 15 Grade level: College. 4. The Coleman-Liau Index: 13 Grade level: college 5. The SMOG Index: 14 Grade level: college 6. Automated Readability Index: 15 Grade level: College graduate 7. Linsear Write Formula: 18 Grade level: College Graduate and above. ---------------------------------------------- READABILITY CONSENSUS ---------------------------------------------- Based on (7) readability formulas, we have scored your text: Grade Level: 15 Reading Level: very difficult to read. Age of Reader: College graduate ----------------------------------------------
  - dahart 6y ago
    > In literacy tests, under 2% of Americans read beyond a grade 12 level. I find this hard to believe, given that 34% of Americans have a college degree.
    - btilly 6y ago
      https://www.wyliecomm.com/2019/03/us-literacy-rate/ https://www.wyliecomm.com/2019/03/us-literacy-rate/ and note that 2% of American adults are level 5. That's roughly "college level reading" on official measures. And yes, comparing high school graduation rates with adult literacy it is obvious that a lot of people graduated high school with skills below what they were supposed to have. I find this depressing but in accord with my experience.
      - dahart 6y ago
        > note that 2% of American adults are level 5. You might have misread that. It says 2% of global adults (“across all countries”) are level 5. It also says that level 5 does not officially exist, and level 4 is the highest level on the PIAAC scale. According to that article, 12% of Americans are in the highest level measured. Over 13% of Americans have post-graduate degrees. And while on the scale you linked to, the U.S. ranks lower than a lot of countries, don’t ignore the fact that the spread of absolute scores above the U.S. is in the single digit percentages. Framing these particular scores as representing some kind of glaring education problem here seems to be over-emphasizing minor global differences and ignoring some context. I hope this gives you reasons to feel more optimistic. We have plenty of room to improve, but it is clearly not as bad as you thought.
        btilly 6y ago
        Not so clear. If you go to https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2014/2014008.pdf https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2014/2014008.pdf for a more detailed look at the data, you'll find that the fraction of adults world-wide who score at level 4/5 is the same as the USA. In age breakdowns, more US 55-65 year olds are at that top literacy bracket, and in every other age cohort is worse. Therefore there is no reason to believe that the US at the level 5 is any different than the global average. And there is reason to suspect that the USA is getting worse over time. Incidentally I was merely stating it as data and didn't blame this on a glaring education problem here. That would be a much longer discussion.
- wtetzner 6y ago
  I just did a search through it (honestly, I don't have time to carefully read through it, and I doubt most people who actually signed up for the service did), and don't see anything about your data becoming public when canceling a subscription.
- jasomill 6y ago
  Speaking of reading comprehension, perhaps a lawyer could chime in and help me out here: paragraph 14.1 of that agreement reads to me as "This Agreement shall be governed by the laws of a hypothetical State of California where, by assumption, no legislative proposals based on the UCITA ever become law, notwithstanding the laws of the actual State of California." I know it doesn't exactly say that...but it doesn't clearly say anything else either, and presumably some actual body of laws has to apply no matter how California's laws evolve; I'm honestly curious what the actual intended result of this provision is.
viridian 6y ago
Do you read the terms and conditions in full, for every single piece of software you use?
tsimionescu 6y ago
Their terms, in fact, seem to say very clearly that they will NOT do what they actually do: > In the event your paid Prezi account reverts to a free Prezi Public account, any content you previously created with a paid Prezi account and designated as Private User Content will remain Private User Content, but you will not be able to edit such content. New content you create with such an account will become Public User Content, which means any new content you create from that point forward is going to be public. (emphasis mine)

by hluska 6y ago

mynameisvlad 6y ago

Their current terms are public. Those could have changed wildly over the 11 years the company has been active.

speedgoose 6y ago

Nobody bother reading terms that look like this : https://prezi.com/prezi-business-terms-of-use/ https://prezi.com/prezi-business-terms-of-use/

Joker_vD 6y ago
"I've read and agreed to terms and conditions" is probably the most common lie in the Internet.
gav 6y ago
Estimated reading time: 22 minutes, 45 seconds. Contains 4552 words Plus it's a poor use of half an hour if they can change things anyway: > Prezi may revise these Prezi Business Terms and Conditions. If Prezi makes material revisions, Prezi will notify Customer, either through the user interface of the Presentation Services, in an email notification or through other reasonable means. Customer’s use of the Presentation Services after the date such revisions become effective will constitute consent to the revised Prezi Business Terms and Conditions.
btilly 6y ago
I checked https://readabilityformulas.com/freetests/six-readability-formulas.php https://readabilityformulas.com/freetests/six-readability-fo... and all tests agreed that it was not just college level text, but advanced college level text. In literacy tests, under 2% of Americans read beyond a grade 12 level. Odds are than under 1% could read that terms of use and actually understand it. Even if they wanted to. (Note, they only analyze the first 3000 words.) TEXT READABILITY CONSENSUS CALCULATOR www.ReadabilityFormulas.com Timestamp: 11/02/2020 — 12:19:15pm Purpose: Our Text Readability Consensus Calculator uses 7 popular readability formulas to calculate the average grade level, reading age, and text difficulty of your sample text. Your Results: Your text: These Prezi Business Terms and Conditions, togethe ... (2920 words total) 1. Flesch Reading Ease score: 29 (text scale) Flesch Reading Ease scored your text: very difficult to read. 2. Gunning Fog: 17 (text scale) Gunning Fog scored your text: difficult to read. 3. Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level: 15 Grade level: College. 4. The Coleman-Liau Index: 13 Grade level: college 5. The SMOG Index: 14 Grade level: college 6. Automated Readability Index: 15 Grade level: College graduate 7. Linsear Write Formula: 18 Grade level: College Graduate and above. ---------------------------------------------- READABILITY CONSENSUS ---------------------------------------------- Based on (7) readability formulas, we have scored your text: Grade Level: 15 Reading Level: very difficult to read. Age of Reader: College graduate ----------------------------------------------
- dahart 6y ago
  > In literacy tests, under 2% of Americans read beyond a grade 12 level. I find this hard to believe, given that 34% of Americans have a college degree.
  - btilly 6y ago
    https://www.wyliecomm.com/2019/03/us-literacy-rate/ https://www.wyliecomm.com/2019/03/us-literacy-rate/ and note that 2% of American adults are level 5. That's roughly "college level reading" on official measures. And yes, comparing high school graduation rates with adult literacy it is obvious that a lot of people graduated high school with skills below what they were supposed to have. I find this depressing but in accord with my experience.
    - dahart 6y ago
      > note that 2% of American adults are level 5. You might have misread that. It says 2% of global adults (“across all countries”) are level 5. It also says that level 5 does not officially exist, and level 4 is the highest level on the PIAAC scale. According to that article, 12% of Americans are in the highest level measured. Over 13% of Americans have post-graduate degrees. And while on the scale you linked to, the U.S. ranks lower than a lot of countries, don’t ignore the fact that the spread of absolute scores above the U.S. is in the single digit percentages. Framing these particular scores as representing some kind of glaring education problem here seems to be over-emphasizing minor global differences and ignoring some context. I hope this gives you reasons to feel more optimistic. We have plenty of room to improve, but it is clearly not as bad as you thought.
      - btilly 6y ago
        Not so clear. If you go to https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2014/2014008.pdf https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2014/2014008.pdf for a more detailed look at the data, you'll find that the fraction of adults world-wide who score at level 4/5 is the same as the USA. In age breakdowns, more US 55-65 year olds are at that top literacy bracket, and in every other age cohort is worse. Therefore there is no reason to believe that the US at the level 5 is any different than the global average. And there is reason to suspect that the USA is getting worse over time. Incidentally I was merely stating it as data and didn't blame this on a glaring education problem here. That would be a much longer discussion.
wtetzner 6y ago
I just did a search through it (honestly, I don't have time to carefully read through it, and I doubt most people who actually signed up for the service did), and don't see anything about your data becoming public when canceling a subscription.
jasomill 6y ago
Speaking of reading comprehension, perhaps a lawyer could chime in and help me out here: paragraph 14.1 of that agreement reads to me as "This Agreement shall be governed by the laws of a hypothetical State of California where, by assumption, no legislative proposals based on the UCITA ever become law, notwithstanding the laws of the actual State of California." I know it doesn't exactly say that...but it doesn't clearly say anything else either, and presumably some actual body of laws has to apply no matter how California's laws evolve; I'm honestly curious what the actual intended result of this provision is.

viridian 6y ago

Do you read the terms and conditions in full, for every single piece of software you use?

tsimionescu 6y ago

Their terms, in fact, seem to say very clearly that they will NOT do what they actually do: > In the event your paid Prezi account reverts to a free Prezi Public account, any content you previously created with a paid Prezi account and designated as Private User Content will remain Private User Content, but you will not be able to edit such content. New content you create with such an account will become Public User Content, which means any new content you create from that point forward is going to be public. (emphasis mine)