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It means both parties committed atrocities, and the position of some leftists that they hold absolute morality somehow is baseless and delusional.

by apta 6y ago

mlthoughts2018 6y ago
Claiming that “Obama built the cages” means both parties committed atrocities or that the parties are anywhere close to “equal” on this topic is a direct endorsement of violent fascism from the right. That is not spin, that is not leftists unfairly claiming moral superiority, nothing remotely like that at all. It is just purely the fact of Trump’s immigration dehumanization. It transgresses against the base requirements of civil society in a way that is deeply worse and not comparable to Obama’s own poor record on immigration, they are not comparable at all. Any attempt to legitimize Trump’s behavior by acting like “both sides” did wrong things is directly equivalent to endorsing violent fascism at this point. It’s morally repugnant and incompatible with baseline civil society - any option to try to excuse Trump’s behavior has been removed.
- apta 6y ago
  The left is also engaging in facist policies. If neither party is willing to admit their atrocities then no progress is going to be made, and just more polarization is going to ensue. It's quite sickening to see the leftists claim moral superiority and virtue signal. I see more willingness to engage in debate from the right.
  - mlthoughts2018 6y ago
    No, this is simply false. Your efforts to convert a nearly 100% far-right, Trump-led problem into an obfuscated “both parties” 50/50 issue is completely untethered from reality and is so extremely far away from basic civil discourse that it’s unacceptable. By repeatedly trying to dogmatically assert it’s an issue of both parties, you are doing nothing but assisting horrific fascism from the far right. We are way past any point where someone can just casually claim this is debatable.

It means both parties committed atrocities, and the position of some leftists that they hold absolute morality somehow is baseless and delusional.

by apta 6y ago

It means both parties committed atrocities, and the position of some leftists that they hold absolute morality somehow is baseless and delusional.

mlthoughts2018 6y ago

Claiming that “Obama built the cages” means both parties committed atrocities or that the parties are anywhere close to “equal” on this topic is a direct endorsement of violent fascism from the right. That is not spin, that is not leftists unfairly claiming moral superiority, nothing remotely like that at all. It is just purely the fact of Trump’s immigration dehumanization. It transgresses against the base requirements of civil society in a way that is deeply worse and not comparable to Obama’s own poor record on immigration, they are not comparable at all. Any attempt to legitimize Trump’s behavior by acting like “both sides” did wrong things is directly equivalent to endorsing violent fascism at this point. It’s morally repugnant and incompatible with baseline civil society - any option to try to excuse Trump’s behavior has been removed.

apta 6y ago
The left is also engaging in facist policies. If neither party is willing to admit their atrocities then no progress is going to be made, and just more polarization is going to ensue. It's quite sickening to see the leftists claim moral superiority and virtue signal. I see more willingness to engage in debate from the right.
- mlthoughts2018 6y ago
  No, this is simply false. Your efforts to convert a nearly 100% far-right, Trump-led problem into an obfuscated “both parties” 50/50 issue is completely untethered from reality and is so extremely far away from basic civil discourse that it’s unacceptable. By repeatedly trying to dogmatically assert it’s an issue of both parties, you are doing nothing but assisting horrific fascism from the far right. We are way past any point where someone can just casually claim this is debatable.