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Do you have evidence that users agreed to that behavior at signups?

hluska 6y ago
Two things: 1.) I understand this is a rhetorical device but it is disingenuous to ask someone to provide evidence of what another individual knew and when. 2.) Their terms are public. Your comment would have been more usefully informed had you bothered to read them.
- mynameisvlad 6y ago
  Their current terms are public. Those could have changed wildly over the 11 years the company has been active.
- speedgoose 6y ago
  Nobody bother reading terms that look like this : https://prezi.com/prezi-business-terms-of-use/ https://prezi.com/prezi-business-terms-of-use/
  - Joker_vD 6y ago
    "I've read and agreed to terms and conditions" is probably the most common lie in the Internet.
  - gav 6y ago
    Estimated reading time: 22 minutes, 45 seconds. Contains 4552 words Plus it's a poor use of half an hour if they can change things anyway: > Prezi may revise these Prezi Business Terms and Conditions. If Prezi makes material revisions, Prezi will notify Customer, either through the user interface of the Presentation Services, in an email notification or through other reasonable means. Customer’s use of the Presentation Services after the date such revisions become effective will constitute consent to the revised Prezi Business Terms and Conditions.
  - btilly 6y ago
    I checked https://readabilityformulas.com/freetests/six-readability-formulas.php https://readabilityformulas.com/freetests/six-readability-fo... and all tests agreed that it was not just college level text, but advanced college level text. In literacy tests, under 2% of Americans read beyond a grade 12 level. Odds are than under 1% could read that terms of use and actually understand it. Even if they wanted to. (Note, they only analyze the first 3000 words.) TEXT READABILITY CONSENSUS CALCULATOR www.ReadabilityFormulas.com Timestamp: 11/02/2020 — 12:19:15pm Purpose: Our Text Readability Consensus Calculator uses 7 popular readability formulas to calculate the average grade level, reading age, and text difficulty of your sample text. Your Results: Your text: These Prezi Business Terms and Conditions, togethe ... (2920 words total) 1. Flesch Reading Ease score: 29 (text scale) Flesch Reading Ease scored your text: very difficult to read. 2. Gunning Fog: 17 (text scale) Gunning Fog scored your text: difficult to read. 3. Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level: 15 Grade level: College. 4. The Coleman-Liau Index: 13 Grade level: college 5. The SMOG Index: 14 Grade level: college 6. Automated Readability Index: 15 Grade level: College graduate 7. Linsear Write Formula: 18 Grade level: College Graduate and above. ---------------------------------------------- READABILITY CONSENSUS ---------------------------------------------- Based on (7) readability formulas, we have scored your text: Grade Level: 15 Reading Level: very difficult to read. Age of Reader: College graduate ----------------------------------------------
    - dahart 6y ago
      > In literacy tests, under 2% of Americans read beyond a grade 12 level. I find this hard to believe, given that 34% of Americans have a college degree.
      - btilly 6y ago
        https://www.wyliecomm.com/2019/03/us-literacy-rate/ https://www.wyliecomm.com/2019/03/us-literacy-rate/ and note that 2% of American adults are level 5. That's roughly "college level reading" on official measures. And yes, comparing high school graduation rates with adult literacy it is obvious that a lot of people graduated high school with skills below what they were supposed to have. I find this depressing but in accord with my experience.
  - wtetzner 6y ago
    I just did a search through it (honestly, I don't have time to carefully read through it, and I doubt most people who actually signed up for the service did), and don't see anything about your data becoming public when canceling a subscription.
  - jasomill 6y ago
    Speaking of reading comprehension, perhaps a lawyer could chime in and help me out here: paragraph 14.1 of that agreement reads to me as "This Agreement shall be governed by the laws of a hypothetical State of California where, by assumption, no legislative proposals based on the UCITA ever become law, notwithstanding the laws of the actual State of California." I know it doesn't exactly say that...but it doesn't clearly say anything else either, and presumably some actual body of laws has to apply no matter how California's laws evolve; I'm honestly curious what the actual intended result of this provision is.
- viridian 6y ago
  Do you read the terms and conditions in full, for every single piece of software you use?
- tsimionescu 6y ago
  Their terms, in fact, seem to say very clearly that they will NOT do what they actually do: > In the event your paid Prezi account reverts to a free Prezi Public account, any content you previously created with a paid Prezi account and designated as Private User Content will remain Private User Content, but you will not be able to edit such content. New content you create with such an account will become Public User Content, which means any new content you create from that point forward is going to be public. (emphasis mine)
ArnoVW 6y ago
I've just read their terms. There is no mention of that. I figured maybe you give Prezi the rights to your content, but in fact, no. They can only republish your content on their account if you tag it as "public": Customer hereby grants to Prezi a world-wide, non-exclusive, revocable, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and transferable license for the Term of this Agreement to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works, communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display, distribute and transmit the Customer Content: (i) for the purpose of providing the Presentation Services to Customer and (ii) to the extent Customer has designated any portion of the Customer Content as “Public Content” through the content management features of the Presentation Services, for Prezi to make use of such “Public Content” in connection with promotion and marketing of Prezi’s products and services. Customer also hereby grants to Prezi a world-wide, non-exclusive, perpetual, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and transferable license to (a) analyze the Customer Content for the purposes of quality control, benchmarking and improving the Presentation Services and (b) maintain a back-up copy of Customer’s “Public Content” indefinitely. Customer represents and warrants that it has all rights, clearances and authority necessary to grant the foregoing licenses to Prezi. Customer reserves all rights to the Customer Content that are not expressly granted in this Agreement.

Two things: 1.) I understand this is a rhetorical device but it is disingenuous to ask someone to provide evidence of what another individual knew and when. 2.) Their terms are public. Your comment would have been more usefully informed had you bothered to read them.

mynameisvlad 6y ago
Their current terms are public. Those could have changed wildly over the 11 years the company has been active.
speedgoose 6y ago
Nobody bother reading terms that look like this : https://prezi.com/prezi-business-terms-of-use/ https://prezi.com/prezi-business-terms-of-use/
- Joker_vD 6y ago
  "I've read and agreed to terms and conditions" is probably the most common lie in the Internet.
- gav 6y ago
  Estimated reading time: 22 minutes, 45 seconds. Contains 4552 words Plus it's a poor use of half an hour if they can change things anyway: > Prezi may revise these Prezi Business Terms and Conditions. If Prezi makes material revisions, Prezi will notify Customer, either through the user interface of the Presentation Services, in an email notification or through other reasonable means. Customer’s use of the Presentation Services after the date such revisions become effective will constitute consent to the revised Prezi Business Terms and Conditions.
- btilly 6y ago
  I checked https://readabilityformulas.com/freetests/six-readability-formulas.php https://readabilityformulas.com/freetests/six-readability-fo... and all tests agreed that it was not just college level text, but advanced college level text. In literacy tests, under 2% of Americans read beyond a grade 12 level. Odds are than under 1% could read that terms of use and actually understand it. Even if they wanted to. (Note, they only analyze the first 3000 words.) TEXT READABILITY CONSENSUS CALCULATOR www.ReadabilityFormulas.com Timestamp: 11/02/2020 — 12:19:15pm Purpose: Our Text Readability Consensus Calculator uses 7 popular readability formulas to calculate the average grade level, reading age, and text difficulty of your sample text. Your Results: Your text: These Prezi Business Terms and Conditions, togethe ... (2920 words total) 1. Flesch Reading Ease score: 29 (text scale) Flesch Reading Ease scored your text: very difficult to read. 2. Gunning Fog: 17 (text scale) Gunning Fog scored your text: difficult to read. 3. Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level: 15 Grade level: College. 4. The Coleman-Liau Index: 13 Grade level: college 5. The SMOG Index: 14 Grade level: college 6. Automated Readability Index: 15 Grade level: College graduate 7. Linsear Write Formula: 18 Grade level: College Graduate and above. ---------------------------------------------- READABILITY CONSENSUS ---------------------------------------------- Based on (7) readability formulas, we have scored your text: Grade Level: 15 Reading Level: very difficult to read. Age of Reader: College graduate ----------------------------------------------
  - dahart 6y ago
    > In literacy tests, under 2% of Americans read beyond a grade 12 level. I find this hard to believe, given that 34% of Americans have a college degree.
    - btilly 6y ago
      https://www.wyliecomm.com/2019/03/us-literacy-rate/ https://www.wyliecomm.com/2019/03/us-literacy-rate/ and note that 2% of American adults are level 5. That's roughly "college level reading" on official measures. And yes, comparing high school graduation rates with adult literacy it is obvious that a lot of people graduated high school with skills below what they were supposed to have. I find this depressing but in accord with my experience.
- wtetzner 6y ago
  I just did a search through it (honestly, I don't have time to carefully read through it, and I doubt most people who actually signed up for the service did), and don't see anything about your data becoming public when canceling a subscription.
- jasomill 6y ago
  Speaking of reading comprehension, perhaps a lawyer could chime in and help me out here: paragraph 14.1 of that agreement reads to me as "This Agreement shall be governed by the laws of a hypothetical State of California where, by assumption, no legislative proposals based on the UCITA ever become law, notwithstanding the laws of the actual State of California." I know it doesn't exactly say that...but it doesn't clearly say anything else either, and presumably some actual body of laws has to apply no matter how California's laws evolve; I'm honestly curious what the actual intended result of this provision is.
viridian 6y ago
Do you read the terms and conditions in full, for every single piece of software you use?
tsimionescu 6y ago
Their terms, in fact, seem to say very clearly that they will NOT do what they actually do: > In the event your paid Prezi account reverts to a free Prezi Public account, any content you previously created with a paid Prezi account and designated as Private User Content will remain Private User Content, but you will not be able to edit such content. New content you create with such an account will become Public User Content, which means any new content you create from that point forward is going to be public. (emphasis mine)

ArnoVW 6y ago

I've just read their terms. There is no mention of that. I figured maybe you give Prezi the rights to your content, but in fact, no. They can only republish your content on their account if you tag it as "public": Customer hereby grants to Prezi a world-wide, non-exclusive, revocable, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and transferable license for the Term of this Agreement to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works, communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display, distribute and transmit the Customer Content: (i) for the purpose of providing the Presentation Services to Customer and (ii) to the extent Customer has designated any portion of the Customer Content as “Public Content” through the content management features of the Presentation Services, for Prezi to make use of such “Public Content” in connection with promotion and marketing of Prezi’s products and services. Customer also hereby grants to Prezi a world-wide, non-exclusive, perpetual, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and transferable license to (a) analyze the Customer Content for the purposes of quality control, benchmarking and improving the Presentation Services and (b) maintain a back-up copy of Customer’s “Public Content” indefinitely. Customer represents and warrants that it has all rights, clearances and authority necessary to grant the foregoing licenses to Prezi. Customer reserves all rights to the Customer Content that are not expressly granted in this Agreement.