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You make it sound as if devops is the initiator of the complexity problems. This might well be in your case. My experience is the other way around. I'm forced

You make it sound as if devops is the initiator of the complexity problems. This might well be in your case. My experience is the other way around. I'm forced to think about stuff like Kubernetes because the devs are popping "micro-services" for almost anything and the answer to trying to keep things manageable is, hopefully, K8s. Of course they then send funny memes and argue that K8s is overkill. Yet they have no idea how much a devops guy has to do to actually ramp up one of their multi-gigabyte container. The whole micro-services mentality is proving to be backwards in my environment. It's seen as the answer to everything. "Oh we have a behemoth, let's just not use this part of the application and reimplement it somewhere else." In essence that's great. However, the grunt of the work is making tests to capture old behaviour/semantics; and who are the (indirect) clients of this piece of code. Ignoring a piece of code to death and reimplementing it somewhere else behind a socket is only part of the solution. The hyperscalars are benefiting greatly of this mindset imo.

ehnto 6y ago
Oh yeah, my point of view is entirely based on my experience with small to medium sized companies, and there especially developers can be the instigators in sudden complexity multipliers. I tried my best not to rag on devops as I am always incredibly impressed by these systems and what can be achieved and automated. It absolutely has it's place. It's just that all the technology that big companies use become trendy and then end up used at small companies too. Small companies don't realise that the tools aren't solving the problems they have, and they don't understand the vendor lock ins and dependencies that they've introduced into their platform for no real gain. This happens in all kinds of ways, not just devops. Your example of developers using the microservice pattern is exactly that. When I see a developer recommend microservices my mind flashes forward to all of the extra complexity that entails and how we've just turned a small monolith on one server into 6 pieces of software across distributed servers. Great for big companies, too much complexity for small companies.

ehnto 6y ago

Oh yeah, my point of view is entirely based on my experience with small to medium sized companies, and there especially developers can be the instigators in sudden complexity multipliers. I tried my best not to rag on devops as I am always incredibly impressed by these systems and what can be achieved and automated. It absolutely has it's place. It's just that all the technology that big companies use become trendy and then end up used at small companies too. Small companies don't realise that the tools aren't solving the problems they have, and they don't understand the vendor lock ins and dependencies that they've introduced into their platform for no real gain. This happens in all kinds of ways, not just devops. Your example of developers using the microservice pattern is exactly that. When I see a developer recommend microservices my mind flashes forward to all of the extra complexity that entails and how we've just turned a small monolith on one server into 6 pieces of software across distributed servers. Great for big companies, too much complexity for small companies.