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Isn't that like saying doing exercise is a poor model for getting fit because people don't stick to it?

giantDinosaur 6y ago
It depends. Do you see losing weight as a purely physical phenomenon, or do you see it as one that's heavily influenced by psychology and other such factors? The actual physical act of losing weight i.e. reducing one's mass needs to be distinguished, in my opinion, from all the factors that actually go into that. If it turns out that in response to hunger that your brain secretes a hormone that makes you much more hungry than the average, the psychological aspect of losing weight has been compromised, even while the physical laws stay the same.
- RikNieu 6y ago
  Of course psychology comes into play. I'd know, that's what kept me from making progress with this for years. But that does not subtract from the fact that to lose weight you need to consume less calories. > If it turns out that in response to hunger that your brain secretes a hormone that makes you much more hungry than the average, the psychological aspect of losing weight has been compromised, even while the physical laws stay the same. I don't agree. You lose weight by eating less calories. If you need to manage your implementation of that technique because you have some condition that deviates from the norm, sure, that's something you have to deal with. To return to my exercise analogy, I have a medical condition that makes exercise difficult. So I have to work around my unique limitation. But I don't go around saying that doing cardio and working out is not the correct way of getting fit.
  - giantDinosaur 6y ago
    My point isn't that 'cardio and working out' are not how one gets fit, it's that achieving 'fitness' is more than 'cardio and working out'. The words are overloaded, and I think your very last sentence illustrates that well. I also tossed up between physiological and psychological, but reasoned for my purposes they were similar enough to get the point across - i.e. that despite the physical laws being simple, the actual process is not.
    - RikNieu 6y ago
      Fair enough. Guess that's why it's so hard.

It depends. Do you see losing weight as a purely physical phenomenon, or do you see it as one that's heavily influenced by psychology and other such factors? The actual physical act of losing weight i.e. reducing one's mass needs to be distinguished, in my opinion, from all the factors that actually go into that. If it turns out that in response to hunger that your brain secretes a hormone that makes you much more hungry than the average, the psychological aspect of losing weight has been compromised, even while the physical laws stay the same.

RikNieu 6y ago
Of course psychology comes into play. I'd know, that's what kept me from making progress with this for years. But that does not subtract from the fact that to lose weight you need to consume less calories. > If it turns out that in response to hunger that your brain secretes a hormone that makes you much more hungry than the average, the psychological aspect of losing weight has been compromised, even while the physical laws stay the same. I don't agree. You lose weight by eating less calories. If you need to manage your implementation of that technique because you have some condition that deviates from the norm, sure, that's something you have to deal with. To return to my exercise analogy, I have a medical condition that makes exercise difficult. So I have to work around my unique limitation. But I don't go around saying that doing cardio and working out is not the correct way of getting fit.
- giantDinosaur 6y ago
  My point isn't that 'cardio and working out' are not how one gets fit, it's that achieving 'fitness' is more than 'cardio and working out'. The words are overloaded, and I think your very last sentence illustrates that well. I also tossed up between physiological and psychological, but reasoned for my purposes they were similar enough to get the point across - i.e. that despite the physical laws being simple, the actual process is not.
  - RikNieu 6y ago
    Fair enough. Guess that's why it's so hard.