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We tried running things on AWS and digital ocean. Yes, AWS offers a lot of extra value with all the other services. But at the same time, we had a relatively si

by drchiu 6y ago

We tried running things on AWS and digital ocean. Yes, AWS offers a lot of extra value with all the other services. But at the same time, we had a relatively simple application. We ended up managing our own sets of dedicated servers for a fraction of the cost. Peformance is way higher. In the end, the cost difference was just too big to justify it when we were trying to be scrappy. We also realized that all the extra features offered weren’t being utilized as our infrastructure requirements were simple.

XCSme 6y ago
So for you DO was cheaper, it's funny that I'm actually looking to move from DO to OVH, as DO pricing is around 50% more expensive than OVH. My main concern right now is the worse UI and the lack of more pre-built images that allow you to spin-up VPSs quicker.
- drchiu 6y ago
  Nope, it's OVH for us as well as this point. We have about 8 or 9 dedicated servers at OVH right now. Things we've noticed: - Yes, UI sucks - No autobilling - Reboot times are slow (as the actual machines are reboooted, not a VPS) - You need to upgrade to higher bandwidths for great speeds - Some routing problems, very rarely - You really need to know what your server needs are 6-12 months in advance - Some product offerings way too expensive (eg. Loadbalancer) Great things: - Price. Net-net, still cheaper to buy 2-3 dedicated servers than a single beefy VPS - A lot of sales, like every month - You get the full resources of the whole server - Reasonable support for network or hardware related issues - Unlimited traffic (at least you don't need to worry about normal usage overages) - DDoS protection Other thoughts: In terms of performance, dedi's work great. I've found their OVH Public Cloud instances (not the cheap one, but the more expensive ones) have not as great performance. Might as well buy a dedicated. The only pro is that you only pay for the time you use.
  - XCSme 6y ago
    Thanks a lot for the information! I was mostly looking to get some VPSs from them, the $10.58 2vCPU, 4GB RAM ones to replace the current DO $15/mo 2vCPU 2GB RAM I'm using, as I would get better specs for a cheaper price. It's a bit hard to tell without actual benchmarks if the performance will be better or worse than DO.
    - drchiu 6y ago
      Yeah, I would avoid their VPS. I benchmarked their higher end VPS and they were still not great. Ran a few as well on Vultr, Linode, and DO and ended up going with none of them. Linode performed the best for VPS for me, but price-point wise, it was a better deal to head straight up to dedi's on OVH. I still run small VPS instances for various workers and what-not, but straight up app and db servers go to OVH.
      - XCSme 6y ago
        If I go for dedi, do you know any tool to simulate running multiple, independent VPSs on a dedicated server? I was thinking maybe something like creating Docker containers on the dedicated server, but I'm not sure how the management/provisioning/resource sharing would work, plus I assume it would still need extra IPs and stuff like that for each VPS. It would be nice to have like a Control Panel where you can link dedicated servers, and then provision VPSs on them using an UI like the one on DigitalOcean. But I guess this would mean having a complete DO competitor (without the hardware part) :D
        ZWoz 6y ago
        Do be clarify: you want virtualisation environment, hypervisor? If yes, then you can go with VMWare ESXi or Proxmox. Both have web based consoles to add and manage virtual machines. Like you mentioned, you need additional IP-s, Hetzner has 6 (/29) for €6.72 per month [0], OVH has one time fee €2.00 per additional IP[1]. --------- [0] - https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/ip/ip-addresses/ https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/ip/ip-addres... [1] - https://www.ovhcloud.com/en-ie/bare-metal/rise/options/ https://www.ovhcloud.com/en-ie/bare-metal/rise/options/

by drchiu 6y ago

XCSme 6y ago

So for you DO was cheaper, it's funny that I'm actually looking to move from DO to OVH, as DO pricing is around 50% more expensive than OVH. My main concern right now is the worse UI and the lack of more pre-built images that allow you to spin-up VPSs quicker.

drchiu 6y ago
Nope, it's OVH for us as well as this point. We have about 8 or 9 dedicated servers at OVH right now. Things we've noticed: - Yes, UI sucks - No autobilling - Reboot times are slow (as the actual machines are reboooted, not a VPS) - You need to upgrade to higher bandwidths for great speeds - Some routing problems, very rarely - You really need to know what your server needs are 6-12 months in advance - Some product offerings way too expensive (eg. Loadbalancer) Great things: - Price. Net-net, still cheaper to buy 2-3 dedicated servers than a single beefy VPS - A lot of sales, like every month - You get the full resources of the whole server - Reasonable support for network or hardware related issues - Unlimited traffic (at least you don't need to worry about normal usage overages) - DDoS protection Other thoughts: In terms of performance, dedi's work great. I've found their OVH Public Cloud instances (not the cheap one, but the more expensive ones) have not as great performance. Might as well buy a dedicated. The only pro is that you only pay for the time you use.
- XCSme 6y ago
  Thanks a lot for the information! I was mostly looking to get some VPSs from them, the $10.58 2vCPU, 4GB RAM ones to replace the current DO $15/mo 2vCPU 2GB RAM I'm using, as I would get better specs for a cheaper price. It's a bit hard to tell without actual benchmarks if the performance will be better or worse than DO.
  - drchiu 6y ago
    Yeah, I would avoid their VPS. I benchmarked their higher end VPS and they were still not great. Ran a few as well on Vultr, Linode, and DO and ended up going with none of them. Linode performed the best for VPS for me, but price-point wise, it was a better deal to head straight up to dedi's on OVH. I still run small VPS instances for various workers and what-not, but straight up app and db servers go to OVH.
    - XCSme 6y ago
      If I go for dedi, do you know any tool to simulate running multiple, independent VPSs on a dedicated server? I was thinking maybe something like creating Docker containers on the dedicated server, but I'm not sure how the management/provisioning/resource sharing would work, plus I assume it would still need extra IPs and stuff like that for each VPS. It would be nice to have like a Control Panel where you can link dedicated servers, and then provision VPSs on them using an UI like the one on DigitalOcean. But I guess this would mean having a complete DO competitor (without the hardware part) :D
      - ZWoz 6y ago
        Do be clarify: you want virtualisation environment, hypervisor? If yes, then you can go with VMWare ESXi or Proxmox. Both have web based consoles to add and manage virtual machines. Like you mentioned, you need additional IP-s, Hetzner has 6 (/29) for €6.72 per month [0], OVH has one time fee €2.00 per additional IP[1]. --------- [0] - https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/ip/ip-addresses/ https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/ip/ip-addres... [1] - https://www.ovhcloud.com/en-ie/bare-metal/rise/options/ https://www.ovhcloud.com/en-ie/bare-metal/rise/options/