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This is an area where GitLab could have a huge advantage. If they had really good support for mirroring projects between instances then running your own privat

This is an area where GitLab could have a huge advantage. If they had really good support for mirroring projects between instances then running your own private instance for control while mirroring to GitLab.com for scale / convenience would make a lot of sense. Of course I’m sure that would go into the super mega platinum “we’re only charging 1/5 of the real value” BS tier or whatever they’re pushing these days.

Rochus 6y ago
Gitlab is apparently a US based company. Unlikely that they would be more courages than Github.
- donmcronald 6y ago
  Yes, but having a complete copy of all my projects in a matching self-hosted environment mitigates a huge amount of risk because it would still be there if I got banned from GitLab.com. I could still use the workflow and tooling I'm used to. Contrast that with GitHub where losing your account means losing the workflow and tooling you depend on. I'm not talking about trying to re-host a controversial project though. I'm more interested in the risk to the average small developer where getting banned would ruin your life, but wouldn't make the news.
  - Rochus 6y ago
    My statement didn't imply you should use Github, but that there is no reason to feel more save with Gitlab.
- delfinom 6y ago
  The only way GitLab would escape DMCA would be to host in China or Russia (which also would get it banned by many of their customers). The US has many IP agreements with European countries and even some Asian countries, good luck escaping from it.
  - Rochus 6y ago
    No; it could e.g. be hosted in Switzerland; when assessing the case Swiss law applies; possible agreements with other countries are not directly applicable, but are reflected in the national law. EDIT: and in contrast to e.g. Germany or apparently the US there is nothing like a cease and desist letter in Switzerland, but claims such as the present one must be brought before the court.
  - realusername 6y ago
    A lot of EU countries have explicit copyright exceptions for personal copies though due to the storage tax, so youtube-dl is legal in those countries anyways.
    - Mindwipe 6y ago
      It wouldn't be legal in any of those territories - those explicit copyright exemptions don't apply to content that you're not licensed to have permanently or broadcasts. European law also requires member states to have laws against breaching technical protection measures, and bypassing those isn't usually legal irrespective of personal copy exemptions. And in this case Youtube-dl was taken down because it was claimed to breach technical protection measures.
      - realusername 6y ago
        > It wouldn't be legal in any of those territories - those explicit copyright exemptions don't apply to content that you're not licensed to have permanently or broadcasts. On my case (French laws), there's no exception for that: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/article_lc/LEGIARTI000006466389/1992-07-02 https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/article_lc/LEGIARTI00000... as long as it's a private copy. > European law also requires member states to have laws against breaching technical protection measures, and bypassing those isn't usually legal irrespective of personal copy exemptions. And in this case Youtube-dl was taken down because it was claimed to breach technical protection measures. That's actually the opposite, there's an interoperability exceptions for DRMs unlike in the US, which protecting a video certainly falls into since you would not be able to read it.
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Rochus 6y ago

Gitlab is apparently a US based company. Unlikely that they would be more courages than Github.

donmcronald 6y ago
Yes, but having a complete copy of all my projects in a matching self-hosted environment mitigates a huge amount of risk because it would still be there if I got banned from GitLab.com. I could still use the workflow and tooling I'm used to. Contrast that with GitHub where losing your account means losing the workflow and tooling you depend on. I'm not talking about trying to re-host a controversial project though. I'm more interested in the risk to the average small developer where getting banned would ruin your life, but wouldn't make the news.
- Rochus 6y ago
  My statement didn't imply you should use Github, but that there is no reason to feel more save with Gitlab.
delfinom 6y ago
The only way GitLab would escape DMCA would be to host in China or Russia (which also would get it banned by many of their customers). The US has many IP agreements with European countries and even some Asian countries, good luck escaping from it.
- Rochus 6y ago
  No; it could e.g. be hosted in Switzerland; when assessing the case Swiss law applies; possible agreements with other countries are not directly applicable, but are reflected in the national law. EDIT: and in contrast to e.g. Germany or apparently the US there is nothing like a cease and desist letter in Switzerland, but claims such as the present one must be brought before the court.
- realusername 6y ago
  A lot of EU countries have explicit copyright exceptions for personal copies though due to the storage tax, so youtube-dl is legal in those countries anyways.
  - Mindwipe 6y ago
    It wouldn't be legal in any of those territories - those explicit copyright exemptions don't apply to content that you're not licensed to have permanently or broadcasts. European law also requires member states to have laws against breaching technical protection measures, and bypassing those isn't usually legal irrespective of personal copy exemptions. And in this case Youtube-dl was taken down because it was claimed to breach technical protection measures.
    - realusername 6y ago
      > It wouldn't be legal in any of those territories - those explicit copyright exemptions don't apply to content that you're not licensed to have permanently or broadcasts. On my case (French laws), there's no exception for that: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/article_lc/LEGIARTI000006466389/1992-07-02 https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/article_lc/LEGIARTI00000... as long as it's a private copy. > European law also requires member states to have laws against breaching technical protection measures, and bypassing those isn't usually legal irrespective of personal copy exemptions. And in this case Youtube-dl was taken down because it was claimed to breach technical protection measures. That's actually the opposite, there's an interoperability exceptions for DRMs unlike in the US, which protecting a video certainly falls into since you would not be able to read it.

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