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I agree with your first 2 examples. But in my opinion, the fact that back then sexism caused strong income differences only makes it even more likely that this

I agree with your first 2 examples. But in my opinion, the fact that back then sexism caused strong income differences only makes it even more likely that this was a rationally coordinated team effort by the Einstein's. As for that destroying their marriage, it seems that she got pregnant from another man, while he had multiple affairs, so I wonder if they were ever strongly physically attracted to each other. To me, it seems more likely that they were mentally best friends, but physically craved others. I kind of dislike your Jezebel link because in my opinion, their goal is mostly to spread hate as opposed to improving the situation. So I'd wager that their experiment was skewed to produce the intended result. I mean even the magazine's name is provocation aimed at conservative christian men: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+2%3A20&version=NIV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+2%3A... Plus, they haven't been exactly balanced on gender issues in the past ;) "Men are in crisis. The successes of women in the workplace have caused them confusion [..]. They’re becoming radicalized [..] romantic rejection [..] mass murder." https://theattic.jezebel.com/the-paradox-of-how-to-feminism-for-men-1845218608 https://theattic.jezebel.com/the-paradox-of-how-to-feminism-...

DoreenMichele 6y ago
But in my opinion, the fact that back then sexism caused strong income differences only makes it even more likely that this was a rationally coordinated team effort by the Einstein's. That doesn't contradict anything I've said. If anything, it supports my position. As for that destroying their marriage, it seems that she got pregnant from another man, He married her after she had that child. To my mind that seems to be fairly strong evidence that they had a powerful bond that overcame many obstacles that would have prevented most people from ever even getting married. I don't typically read Jezebel, largely due to the criticisms you cite. But the piece I posted is backed up by data and strikes me as reasonable and even-handed. I don't think it was engineered by the publication. It seems to have been some one off thing by some random female author who got frustrated with her efforts to get published.
- fxtentacle 6y ago
  I agree that they overcame many obstacles that would have prevented most people from ever even getting married. I also agree that they had a powerful bond. But I would argue that their bond was mostly mental, like friendship. There's usually an age disparity in sexual relationships [1] and I would argue that this is because men in general prefer slightly younger women. The fact that Mileva was born 4 years before Albert already makes their relationship highly uncommon (around 1 out of 30 couples). So maybe Albert married her because she was reliably, intelligent, and had a great character. But that doesn't mean that she had to be in line with his sexual preferences, which then would make it likely that they'll eventually get bored of each other. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relati...
  - DoreenMichele 6y ago
    I would argue that this is because men in general prefer slightly younger women. It takes two to tango. Your assumption de facto dismisses the choice of the woman in the relationship, as if her opinion is irrelevant. I think there are multiple factors involved in that trend, one of which is that women tend to be more socially savvy than men. I think women tend to prefer men who are a little older because, on average, a man needs to be a little older to have a similar level of social savvy and this is a critical detail for a personal relationship. There are other things in your comment that I don't agree with. But I don't care to elaborate, so this is where we get to "agree to disagree" I guess. Thank you for actually discussing the details of the article with me.
    - fxtentacle 6y ago
      I didn't mean to dismiss the women decision making involved. In fact, I agree with you on social savyness and I'd add financial stability to the list. I was just focusing on Albert's side of the equation, because he was the one that ended the marriage by switching sexual partners. And yes, that was a good discussion. Thank you, too :)
      - 6y ago

DoreenMichele 6y ago

But in my opinion, the fact that back then sexism caused strong income differences only makes it even more likely that this was a rationally coordinated team effort by the Einstein's. That doesn't contradict anything I've said. If anything, it supports my position. As for that destroying their marriage, it seems that she got pregnant from another man, He married her after she had that child. To my mind that seems to be fairly strong evidence that they had a powerful bond that overcame many obstacles that would have prevented most people from ever even getting married. I don't typically read Jezebel, largely due to the criticisms you cite. But the piece I posted is backed up by data and strikes me as reasonable and even-handed. I don't think it was engineered by the publication. It seems to have been some one off thing by some random female author who got frustrated with her efforts to get published.

fxtentacle 6y ago
I agree that they overcame many obstacles that would have prevented most people from ever even getting married. I also agree that they had a powerful bond. But I would argue that their bond was mostly mental, like friendship. There's usually an age disparity in sexual relationships [1] and I would argue that this is because men in general prefer slightly younger women. The fact that Mileva was born 4 years before Albert already makes their relationship highly uncommon (around 1 out of 30 couples). So maybe Albert married her because she was reliably, intelligent, and had a great character. But that doesn't mean that she had to be in line with his sexual preferences, which then would make it likely that they'll eventually get bored of each other. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relati...
- DoreenMichele 6y ago
  I would argue that this is because men in general prefer slightly younger women. It takes two to tango. Your assumption de facto dismisses the choice of the woman in the relationship, as if her opinion is irrelevant. I think there are multiple factors involved in that trend, one of which is that women tend to be more socially savvy than men. I think women tend to prefer men who are a little older because, on average, a man needs to be a little older to have a similar level of social savvy and this is a critical detail for a personal relationship. There are other things in your comment that I don't agree with. But I don't care to elaborate, so this is where we get to "agree to disagree" I guess. Thank you for actually discussing the details of the article with me.
  - fxtentacle 6y ago
    I didn't mean to dismiss the women decision making involved. In fact, I agree with you on social savyness and I'd add financial stability to the list. I was just focusing on Albert's side of the equation, because he was the one that ended the marriage by switching sexual partners. And yes, that was a good discussion. Thank you, too :)
    - 6y ago