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Only cars as big/heavy as golf carts should really be allowed inside cities. That would drastically reduce pollution (both air and noise) and also all but elimi

Only cars as big/heavy as golf carts should really be allowed inside cities. That would drastically reduce pollution (both air and noise) and also all but eliminate fatalities and injuries.

michaelmrose 6y ago
This sounds wildly impractical as it would be 100% useless outside the city and due to cost many commute from outside the city. Are you expecting people to drive an hour to the outskirts then commute by bus once in or own 2 cars per commuter?
- adrianN 6y ago
  They should commute 15 minutes to the next rail station and take the train to the city. This model already works for a lot of people and public transport can be improved so that it works for most people.
  - bluGill 6y ago
    The problem is you can't get there from here. The costs to build a rail system where it doesn't exist are very high, and until you have most of the system in place it is useless to most people. Of course we built a road system - without paved roads cars are mostly useless. We have build rail systems in the past as well. The problem isn't unsolvable by the nature of the problem. It is unsolvable because you can't get the right people to make long term investments in it (don't look to government - anyone who tries will be voted out eventually at best the system changes course from one okay system to a different incompatible system, though more likely they just stop investing).
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    Anyone who proposed this idea can enjoy their retirement when voters fire them. People own actual cars now. They have arranged their lives around currently available modes of transportation including distance between work and homes. They don't live a good distance from work because they want to they do because they can't afford to do otherwise. If you told one of the multitude of people who commute via car they have to spend 5000 on a clown car and an an hour to their commute which amounts to 500 hours annually or 20 days spent commuting they would be in your front yard with torches. Instead what you need is enough housing to bring its price low enough for more people to live closer to work and enough transit that people want to use it not a clown car mandate. When you have successfully convinced most people to commute differently you can start to limit cars not before.
    - adrianN 6y ago
      Cities can change and people adapt. It takes multiple decades , but is has happened before, and it probably will happen again. Cars use too much space and don't scale. That's a simple fact.

Only cars as big/heavy as golf carts should really be allowed inside cities. That would drastically reduce pollution (both air and noise) and also all but eliminate fatalities and injuries.

michaelmrose 6y ago

This sounds wildly impractical as it would be 100% useless outside the city and due to cost many commute from outside the city. Are you expecting people to drive an hour to the outskirts then commute by bus once in or own 2 cars per commuter?

adrianN 6y ago
They should commute 15 minutes to the next rail station and take the train to the city. This model already works for a lot of people and public transport can be improved so that it works for most people.
- bluGill 6y ago
  The problem is you can't get there from here. The costs to build a rail system where it doesn't exist are very high, and until you have most of the system in place it is useless to most people. Of course we built a road system - without paved roads cars are mostly useless. We have build rail systems in the past as well. The problem isn't unsolvable by the nature of the problem. It is unsolvable because you can't get the right people to make long term investments in it (don't look to government - anyone who tries will be voted out eventually at best the system changes course from one okay system to a different incompatible system, though more likely they just stop investing).
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  Anyone who proposed this idea can enjoy their retirement when voters fire them. People own actual cars now. They have arranged their lives around currently available modes of transportation including distance between work and homes. They don't live a good distance from work because they want to they do because they can't afford to do otherwise. If you told one of the multitude of people who commute via car they have to spend 5000 on a clown car and an an hour to their commute which amounts to 500 hours annually or 20 days spent commuting they would be in your front yard with torches. Instead what you need is enough housing to bring its price low enough for more people to live closer to work and enough transit that people want to use it not a clown car mandate. When you have successfully convinced most people to commute differently you can start to limit cars not before.
  - adrianN 6y ago
    Cities can change and people adapt. It takes multiple decades , but is has happened before, and it probably will happen again. Cars use too much space and don't scale. That's a simple fact.