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I am also an outsider and it isn't obvious to me how he is both. Divisive sure (most politicians of note are), racist though? I personally don't see it. It sui

I am also an outsider and it isn't obvious to me how he is both. Divisive sure (most politicians of note are), racist though? I personally don't see it. It suits some people to conflate immigration policy and racism. It then allows them to then label anyone opposed to immigration as racist. It is further confounded by the fact that those people that are deeply racist are almost always opposed to immigration. They do it all the time in the UK and I see no reason why it would be different in the US. For "evidence" of Trump's racism, most will bring up his clumsy statement when he first announced he was running for president. To me he was clearly referring to hardened criminals and gangs, others say he is referring to every illegal immigrant. Again if you take it in the worse possible intent yes then you could say it is racist. However that is the worst possible interpretation and it shouldn't be your default. From my observations Trump was speaking off the cuff and I can forgive a poorly worded statement. I am not particularly partisan (I am a centre -> centre-right libertarian when taking political compass tests). However after spending a lot of time paying attention to what is going on both sides will try to spin any issue in their favour. I've been duped a few times by both sides of the political spectrum when it comes to contentious statements. Sp when a media outlet claims someone has made such a statement, I find the original clip of what was said and listen to it in context before I form an opinion.

ZeteticElench 6y ago
Evidence of Trump's racism. He has been racist for a long time. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-r... "Divisive sure (most politicians of note are)," Has any other President actively tried to harm states he didn't like? Trump has.
- forest_dweller 6y ago
  > Evidence of Trump's racism. He has been racist for a long time. > https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-r https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-r... Seen this before. When you actually look closely into it is always far more complicated than it is presented and they always omit important information. In many of these examples is someone quoted something he said over 30-40 years ago and they happen to remember everything perfectly. I can't remember what I said a month ago on any particular subject. I find a lot of these stories hard to believe. It is always the same pattern, whenever you point pop your head over the parapit and say "Look I think you are being a bit ridiculous about <controversial character>, I think it is a bit overblown". You always have people googling every hit piece that ever been written about them (usually by a partisan news outlet) and then you are expected to rebut every claim. I can't possibly do that. I will stick to what I said before. I don't believe anything any of these media outlets print. This btw goes for both left wing, right wing it doesn't matter they all outright lie whether that is by omission or overtly. You people can play team sports if you want. I am not doing it. > Has any other President actively tried to harm states he didn't like? Trump has. I doubt this is the case. Most examples I've seenwhere he and one of the Governers were engaging in some Realpolitik.

ZeteticElench 6y ago

Evidence of Trump's racism. He has been racist for a long time. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-r... "Divisive sure (most politicians of note are)," Has any other President actively tried to harm states he didn't like? Trump has.

forest_dweller 6y ago
> Evidence of Trump's racism. He has been racist for a long time. > https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-r https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-r... Seen this before. When you actually look closely into it is always far more complicated than it is presented and they always omit important information. In many of these examples is someone quoted something he said over 30-40 years ago and they happen to remember everything perfectly. I can't remember what I said a month ago on any particular subject. I find a lot of these stories hard to believe. It is always the same pattern, whenever you point pop your head over the parapit and say "Look I think you are being a bit ridiculous about <controversial character>, I think it is a bit overblown". You always have people googling every hit piece that ever been written about them (usually by a partisan news outlet) and then you are expected to rebut every claim. I can't possibly do that. I will stick to what I said before. I don't believe anything any of these media outlets print. This btw goes for both left wing, right wing it doesn't matter they all outright lie whether that is by omission or overtly. You people can play team sports if you want. I am not doing it. > Has any other President actively tried to harm states he didn't like? Trump has. I doubt this is the case. Most examples I've seenwhere he and one of the Governers were engaging in some Realpolitik.