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No, the name was certainly not a giveaway, at least to me. Looking at the pictures on the catalog [0] I thought it was Japanese. Later on when the product arri

No, the name was certainly not a giveaway, at least to me. Looking at the pictures on the catalog [0] I thought it was Japanese. Later on when the product arrived, I wished to check if I could order refills in bulk from their website. Upon visiting their website, realization dawned upon me that it’s Chinese. And in my perspective, it’s unfair to compare Baoke to Huawei. The latter is in the news since months now, and has become synonymous with nefarious snooping activities of the Chinese, in stark contrast to the former which is a pen maker. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Baoke-Rollerball-1-0mm-Medium-PC1848/dp/B07TLST578 https://www.amazon.com/Baoke-Rollerball-1-0mm-Medium-PC1848/...

thaumasiotes 6y ago
> it’s unfair to compare Baoke to Huawei. The latter is in the news since months now, and has become synonymous with nefarious snooping activities of the Chinese Sure, Huawei has been in the news for months. But Baoke is still a company whose name is in Chinese. We're not talking "Tencent" here. Then again, if you were able to recognize whether a word was or wasn't Chinese, it's possible you'd feel differently about the moral taint of interacting with Chinese people.
- godelmachine 6y ago
  >>But Baoke is still a company whose name is in Chinese. Does not mean every non-Chinese person should recognize it's a Chinese word. What's your point? >>if you were able to recognize whether a word was or wasn't Chinese, it's possible you'd feel differently about the moral taint of interacting with Chinese people. Considering the misery they have caused to the world and Uyghurs, I would still feel all the same.
- andrepd 6y ago
  Your last sentence is a classic diversion tactic. It's obvious that GP doesn't have a problem with Chinese persons, but with the Chinese government and regime. That's like when people criticise Putin and someone replies "oh so you hate Russian people?"
  - godelmachine 6y ago
    Exactly. From here onwards I am going to use "CCP", so that there's no scope for confusion about being acrimonious towards the Chinese people or their glorious culture. It's a great civilization, rich in its heritage, but Mao has made things go south.
  - thaumasiotes 6y ago
    > It's obvious that GP doesn't have a problem with Chinese persons, but with the Chinese government and regime. Not really; the boycott of Chinese goods is very much targeted at Chinese people and not so much the Chinese government. Note that godelmachine hasn't made a criticism of the CCP at all; he's criticizing a pen company for being Chinese. On the assumption that that's not really what godelmachine thinks is wrong with Baoke, how would they respond to make him feel better about interacting with them?

thaumasiotes 6y ago

> it’s unfair to compare Baoke to Huawei. The latter is in the news since months now, and has become synonymous with nefarious snooping activities of the Chinese Sure, Huawei has been in the news for months. But Baoke is still a company whose name is in Chinese. We're not talking "Tencent" here. Then again, if you were able to recognize whether a word was or wasn't Chinese, it's possible you'd feel differently about the moral taint of interacting with Chinese people.

godelmachine 6y ago
>>But Baoke is still a company whose name is in Chinese. Does not mean every non-Chinese person should recognize it's a Chinese word. What's your point? >>if you were able to recognize whether a word was or wasn't Chinese, it's possible you'd feel differently about the moral taint of interacting with Chinese people. Considering the misery they have caused to the world and Uyghurs, I would still feel all the same.
andrepd 6y ago
Your last sentence is a classic diversion tactic. It's obvious that GP doesn't have a problem with Chinese persons, but with the Chinese government and regime. That's like when people criticise Putin and someone replies "oh so you hate Russian people?"
- godelmachine 6y ago
  Exactly. From here onwards I am going to use "CCP", so that there's no scope for confusion about being acrimonious towards the Chinese people or their glorious culture. It's a great civilization, rich in its heritage, but Mao has made things go south.
- thaumasiotes 6y ago
  > It's obvious that GP doesn't have a problem with Chinese persons, but with the Chinese government and regime. Not really; the boycott of Chinese goods is very much targeted at Chinese people and not so much the Chinese government. Note that godelmachine hasn't made a criticism of the CCP at all; he's criticizing a pen company for being Chinese. On the assumption that that's not really what godelmachine thinks is wrong with Baoke, how would they respond to make him feel better about interacting with them?