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This is painful to read in 2020. There is no such thing as 'socialization of your property' - this concept exists only as intellectual fantasies. There is only

by jariel 6y ago

This is painful to read in 2020. There is no such thing as 'socialization of your property' - this concept exists only as intellectual fantasies. There is only confiscating by a new, probably more ruthless and murderous regime. We have entire century and a several dozen national experiment to debunk this rubbish, we know what the outcomes really are; 'Socialism' is literally the 'collapse of liberalism', we can see some of that right now with orthodox impugnment of our academic systems by certain groups to the point wherein literally the more traditional Liberals have had to come out and take full page ads in major newspapers to plead their cause for rationality and reason.

sudosysgen 6y ago
Have you actually read the book we are talking about? In the real world, the CNT/FAI did not take ownership of the private property, it put it under the property of those that used said property. In any case, the collapse of liberalism is inevitable. Liberalism requires capitalism which requires infinite sustained growth. Infinite growth cannot be sustained, therefore eventually capitalism will collapse. There are, of course, a dozen other ways in which liberal capitalism is an unstable system which must collapse, and most of those reasons can be eventually boiled down to misalignment of the incentives of those with economic and political power, and of the rest of us. So any durable alternative will inevitably have to bridge this divide, and this will mean going after the class system. When that happens, you have a few alternatives that open up. I'd rather not go for a death cult. By the way, the reason why academia is full of socialists is not because of some perversion, or subversion, or anything of the sort, it is because the first people to ever apply the scientific method to the analysis of society came to the conclusion that liberal capitalism is incredibly problematic and that it is existential that it should be changed (on historic timescales). Indeed, you can Google the "fathers of social science" and you might be surprised on the political views of those three.

by jariel 6y ago

sudosysgen 6y ago

Have you actually read the book we are talking about? In the real world, the CNT/FAI did not take ownership of the private property, it put it under the property of those that used said property. In any case, the collapse of liberalism is inevitable. Liberalism requires capitalism which requires infinite sustained growth. Infinite growth cannot be sustained, therefore eventually capitalism will collapse. There are, of course, a dozen other ways in which liberal capitalism is an unstable system which must collapse, and most of those reasons can be eventually boiled down to misalignment of the incentives of those with economic and political power, and of the rest of us. So any durable alternative will inevitably have to bridge this divide, and this will mean going after the class system. When that happens, you have a few alternatives that open up. I'd rather not go for a death cult. By the way, the reason why academia is full of socialists is not because of some perversion, or subversion, or anything of the sort, it is because the first people to ever apply the scientific method to the analysis of society came to the conclusion that liberal capitalism is incredibly problematic and that it is existential that it should be changed (on historic timescales). Indeed, you can Google the "fathers of social science" and you might be surprised on the political views of those three.