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The laziness would be in failing to make the connection between mass starvation and murder and technological development (one can imagine technological developm

The laziness would be in failing to make the connection between mass starvation and murder and technological development (one can imagine technological development without murder, so its not in evidence that murder was necessary for development) and in asserting sputnik as a proxy for technological development which is itself a proxy for greater quality of life among the population. > I've merely stated that Stalin did a thing which had some good effects for the Soviet people. And, yet, here you are deliberately misreading my original comment in bad faith, and all but saying "scary genocidal mustache man bad." You just invoked some historical facts in a way that suggests a connection without explaining the connection. Thats what was lazy. On my end it has nothing to do with moustaches. Thats just your preferred reading.

pmiller2 6y ago
Look, I never said Stalin did nothing wrong. He did a shitload of things wrong. I mentioned one thing he did right. Everything else in your post is added by you, due to your own preconceptions. I'm not here to write a journal article about the industrialization of the Soviet Union. You're imposing that responsibility on me yourself, and that's just not realistic for a forum like HN. That's what I call intellectually lazy, and why this thread is a great example of exactly what I was talking about in the initial comment.
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  > Look, I never said Stalin did nothing wrong. He did a shitload of things wrong. I mentioned one thing he did right. Everything else in your post is added by you, due to your own preconceptions. I'm not here to write a journal article about the industrialization of the Soviet Union. You're imposing that responsibility on me yourself, and that's just not realistic for a forum like HN. there's a vast difference between a journal article and mentioning some historical facts and allowing the reader to infer meaning. Of course I had to read into your post, that's because you didn't make any connection between the things you mentioned. its also not realistic to mention a satellite in the same breath as genocide without any connecting framework and expect people to read it in a positive way. > That's what I call intellectually lazy, and why this thread is a great example of exactly what I was talking about in the initial comment. its lazy to wave your hand at some historical events and let the reader infer what you mean. its trolling to take exception to their interpretation when you haven't provided an interpretation that you prefer and I'm sorry I took the bait. > great example of exactly what I was talking about in the initial comment. that's confirmation bias and not applicable since I didn't downvote you but I replied as though it was a serious comment. troll 1, chordalkeyboard 0.
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    I mentioned 2 historical events in my initial comment: Sputnik in 1957, and, implicitly, the revolution of 1917. In between those times, the USSR went from being an agrarian, feudal nation to an industrialized world power. Who did that? That's literally the content of my first comment, and all you need to read into it, because that's all there is. You're just so determined not to acknowledge that someone who did a lot of very, very bad things, and is arguably one of the most evil men to live in the 20th century, actually did a good thing. That's it. You've proved my point.

pmiller2 6y ago

Look, I never said Stalin did nothing wrong. He did a shitload of things wrong. I mentioned one thing he did right. Everything else in your post is added by you, due to your own preconceptions. I'm not here to write a journal article about the industrialization of the Soviet Union. You're imposing that responsibility on me yourself, and that's just not realistic for a forum like HN. That's what I call intellectually lazy, and why this thread is a great example of exactly what I was talking about in the initial comment.

chordalkeyboard 6y ago
> Look, I never said Stalin did nothing wrong. He did a shitload of things wrong. I mentioned one thing he did right. Everything else in your post is added by you, due to your own preconceptions. I'm not here to write a journal article about the industrialization of the Soviet Union. You're imposing that responsibility on me yourself, and that's just not realistic for a forum like HN. there's a vast difference between a journal article and mentioning some historical facts and allowing the reader to infer meaning. Of course I had to read into your post, that's because you didn't make any connection between the things you mentioned. its also not realistic to mention a satellite in the same breath as genocide without any connecting framework and expect people to read it in a positive way. > That's what I call intellectually lazy, and why this thread is a great example of exactly what I was talking about in the initial comment. its lazy to wave your hand at some historical events and let the reader infer what you mean. its trolling to take exception to their interpretation when you haven't provided an interpretation that you prefer and I'm sorry I took the bait. > great example of exactly what I was talking about in the initial comment. that's confirmation bias and not applicable since I didn't downvote you but I replied as though it was a serious comment. troll 1, chordalkeyboard 0.
- pmiller2 6y ago
  I mentioned 2 historical events in my initial comment: Sputnik in 1957, and, implicitly, the revolution of 1917. In between those times, the USSR went from being an agrarian, feudal nation to an industrialized world power. Who did that? That's literally the content of my first comment, and all you need to read into it, because that's all there is. You're just so determined not to acknowledge that someone who did a lot of very, very bad things, and is arguably one of the most evil men to live in the 20th century, actually did a good thing. That's it. You've proved my point.